Self-interest September 2014

self-interest@lists.selflanguage.org

10 participants
5 discussions

Quiet in Self land?
by Chris Double 07 Aug '16

07 Aug '16

It's been pretty quiet on this list, so I thought I'd start a conversation to see if the list is working. Anyone doing any interesting Self work? I sidelined my VNC client in Self for a bit due to getting busy in my day job but plan to get back to it soon and finish it off. It's pretty close. The missing part is mostly key handling. I'd like to tidy up my Android patches too and get them submitted so at least Intel android would work out of the box. What do people feel would make Self more viable as a fun project to hack on? -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz

12 61

selflanguage.org website down
by David Graham 30 Sep '14

30 Sep '14

Hi all, Sorry to spam the list, but the main website has been down since yesterday.

3 13

VNC client source
by Chris Double 28 Sep '14

28 Sep '14

I put the source for my work in progress VNC client on github: <https://github.com/doublec/self-vncviewer> The instructions are there on how to load and test it. As the instructions state it was mostly written from within the Self debugger, implementing as I went along, so needs refactoring and moving into prototypes, etc but development got stalled due to other projects needing attention. I've put the source up so it doesn't get lost and I don't forget how to run it! -- http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz

1 0

Re: [self-interest] zooming interface (was: Quiet in Self land?)
by Mayuresh Kathe 17 Sep '14

17 Sep '14

hello jecel, your quick and dirty prototype for the user interface looks quite interesting. i'll surely get down to viewing the video and papers you've shared. i am yet to read mr. raskin's book, most of what i know about his ideas is from my email exchanges with him, the rest is from reading his macintosh papers. it's sad that he had to pass away so early, personally, i find it to be a great loss, his ability to express his ideas succinctly is sorely missed. about 3-d worlds, i think, unless there's additional support for depth perceiving visual aids and tactile interaction and feedback, the experience of the 3-d world becomes quite painful and tiring after the initial novelty wears off. ~mayuresh On 2014-09-17 03:02, 'Jecel Assumpcao Jr.' jecel(a)merlintec.com [self-interest] wrote: > Mayuresh, > > > the way mr. raskin wanted it to be was to use zoomworld as a means > of > > drilling down to the information you need. > > The first few versions of Self were text-only, but the various ideas > included in the Morphic user interface were part of the project from > the > start. Actually, even before the start of you look at the Alternate > Reality Kit: > > http://www.open-video.org/details.php?videoid=8050 > > Based on the "artificial reality" ideas being discussed in the Self > group at the time, I wrote a short paper in 1991 about a possible > user > interface: > > http://merlintec.com/lsi/jpaper8.html > > and soon after that built a quick and dirty prototype: > > http://merlintec.com/lsi/gui.html > > At that time I met Ken Perlin from New York University and he did a > few > very impressive demonstrations of zooming interfaces: > > http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/ > http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/zui/ > > I saw that both the 3D GUI and the ZUI had interesting features and > complemented each other. A few years later I bought Jef Raskin's > Humane > Interface book and it reinforced my interest in zooming interfaces. I > didn't see anything in the book that would make it seem that such an > interface would not be a good idea for Self. In fact, when designing > a > user interface for a children's computer in 1999 I thought that > combining these ideas would result in a really nice product: > > http://merlintec.com/pegasus2000/e_gui.html > > -- Jecel > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/messages/31… > [2] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/newtopic;_y… > [3] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/topics/3131… > [4] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2409%20.html > [5] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search;_ylc=X3oDMTExaGFoanEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BG… > [6] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJldThiNDJ… > [7] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJm… > [8] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaXBoY21pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkA… > [9] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html > [10] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/

1 0

Archeology
by Russell Allen 16 Sep '14

16 Sep '14

I think it was Vernor Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep that has computer archeologists who don't so much program as decypher ancient computer systems. Self is at times a bit like that, though hopefully I won't awaken a hostile weakly godlike AI :) Exhibit A, a comment in "globals sunLinker loadPath: fpath IfFail: errBlk": If the scheduler is running _Dlopen has to be wrapped with unixGlobals os_file stopAsync and startAsync to avoid undefined status of stdin, stdout, and stderr in case the dynamic linker decides to abort this unix process. April 92, LB I wonder whether this bug, whatever it was, has been fixed since 1992 :) Russell

3 2

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

2000

1999

1998

1997

1996

1995

1994

1993

1992

1991

1990

Self-interest September 2014