Self-interest October 2010

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Comments & UI
by Jan-Paul Bultmann 02 Nov '10

02 Nov '10

Hey, As I'm fooling around with the word, trying to create a background picture:D, I really have a hard time understanding some of the objects (why has the arrow head, the tail and the body the ability to draw itself for example), documentation is really lacking. So what do you think of a small game^^ we create a counter for objects with comments, and who gets the most points wins at the end of the week :D. I am currently trying hard to create a look like the one of Quartz Composer, I like Nextstep, but grey may be a bit out^^. What do you think? Cheers Jan

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Re: [self-interest] UnitTesting
by Jan-Paul Bultmann 22 Oct '10

22 Oct '10

On Oct 21, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: > Jan-Paul Bultmann wrote: > > > Hey, > > I noticed that Self does not have a unit-testing Framework. > > True. > > > In Smalltalk test driven development is a fundamental part of the > > system, at least as far as I know. > > It is now a major part of Smalltalk and other language frameworks. The > rise of agile programming methods is one factor that has made unit > testing more popular. > > > So were there just more important things to do or is this a design > > choice? > > Are unit-tests useless in the self world or is there a better thing > > I'm just missing :)? > > It is important to remember that the Self project was killed way > back in > 1995. David Ungar continued to improve things on his own and was > finally > able to release his changes in 2000. More improvements were done by > Dave's team as part of the Kline project until that was killed in > 2006. > As far as I know, Russell Allen is behind most of the changes since > then. > > A result of this history is that many things in Self are frozen as > they > were back in 1995. If you look at the built in web browser, for > example, > it doesn't even understand tables. I would say that the lack of a unit > test framework is due to the same thing. > > In Self, a unit testing framework would probably be more elegant > than in > Smalltalk since it is so much easier to create unique objects. > Yeah, I thought of that too. I'd be pretty easy to use mock objects simply by exchanging some slots. Greets Jan > > -- Jecel > >

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UnitTesting
by Jan-Paul Bultmann 21 Oct '10

21 Oct '10

Hey, I noticed that Self does not have a unit-testing Framework. In Smalltalk test driven development is a fundamental part of the system, at least as far as I know. So were there just more important things to do or is this a design choice? Are unit-tests useless in the self world or is there a better thing I'm just missing :)? Greets Jan

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Self-interest October 2010