[self-interest] Smalltalk basics first?

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Agreed. 

-- David (tapped out on my iPhone; blame it for any typoze;-)

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> What I'm saying is that Self has less concepts, so studying Smalltalk is likely to fill your head with stuff you don't need in Self; that said I think it MAY BE worth it because the core message-passing model is the same, you get the historical context, there are syntactic similarities (biggest diffs that I know of around object literals and the implicit self.)
> 
> OTOH you really will be more than doubling your work load to learn both. So if you aren't interested in Smalltalk, I'd say skip it. Repeated caveat: I'm a Smalltalk programmer dabbling in Self, so my perspective may be uninformed/distorted by my own context. 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Casey Ransberger wrote:
>> 
>> > On Feb 15, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Duke Normandin <dukeofperl at ml1.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello List ...
>> > >
>> > > Given that Self is an "upward extension" of Smalltalk - if you will -
>> > > I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be advisable for me to learn the
>> > > very basics of Smalltalk syntax, before proceeding further with
>> > > Self. Opinions please!
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps "Computer Programming using GNU Smalltalk" by Canol Gökel
>> > > http://smalltalk.gnu.org/documentation/books
>> >
>> > Probably not a bad idea. I can't say for sure how much of Smalltalk
>> > will just confuse you, being myself new to Self.
>> 
>> Do you know Smalltalk? If yes, did it hinder or help you?
>> 
>> > It's worth pointing out that "upward extension" really isn't an
>> > adequate description, I don't think: Self actually *removes*
>> > concepts from Smalltalk. It's intended to be "smaller" than
>> > Smalltalk in terms of total cognitive load.
>> 
>> I _never_ implied that Self "removed" _anything_ from Smalltalk! :) It
>> certainly seems "not as rich to digest" as Smalltalk - to me anyway.
>> -- 
>> Duke
>> 
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