Hi guys,
Looking through the cvs tree at sourceforge I see that it includes a bunch of stuff not released elsewhere (afaik) including PEP and webBrowser.
Is this intended to be released under the MIT licence that the rest of Self is under or is this just an artifact of all the stuff being dumped into CVS?
Also I note the makefile put in at bin/linux about 5 months ago - does this mean the VM will now compile under linux?
Cheers,
Russell
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
Looking through the cvs tree at sourceforge I see that it includes a bunch of stuff not released elsewhere (afaik) including PEP and webBrowser.
Is this intended to be released under the MIT licence that the rest of Self is under or is this just an artifact of all the stuff being dumped into CVS?
I just asked Dave about this, and he said he thinks it's probably fine. I wouldn't worry about it.
Also I note the makefile put in at bin/linux about 5 months ago - does this mean the VM will now compile under linux?
That's a good question. :) I think it might. I know Dave was working on getting the latest version of Self running under Linux (and he says he thinks it should work now), but I don't have a Linux machine myself, so I haven't been able to try it.
Feel like giving it a shot and letting me know how it works out? :) If it does, we should get some new packages built and put them up on the Download page.
Adam
Does the source code of Self available somewhere? What is its license then?
Sorry if my questions do not look like to be so deep, but I have been a bit out of touch for a while.
Cheers, Alexandre
On 30 May 2008, at 06:19, Adam Spitz wrote:
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
Looking through the cvs tree at sourceforge I see that it includes a bunch of stuff not released elsewhere (afaik) including PEP and webBrowser.
Is this intended to be released under the MIT licence that the rest of Self is under or is this just an artifact of all the stuff being dumped into CVS?
I just asked Dave about this, and he said he thinks it's probably fine. I wouldn't worry about it.
Also I note the makefile put in at bin/linux about 5 months ago - does this mean the VM will now compile under linux?
That's a good question. :) I think it might. I know Dave was working on getting the latest version of Self running under Linux (and he says he thinks it should work now), but I don't have a Linux machine myself, so I haven't been able to try it.
Feel like giving it a shot and letting me know how it works out? :) If it does, we should get some new packages built and put them up on the Download page.
Adam
Please discard my previous email. Source code of the Self VM seems to be the easiest thing to find on the web.
Alexandre
On 30 May 2008, at 06:19, Adam Spitz wrote:
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
Looking through the cvs tree at sourceforge I see that it includes a bunch of stuff not released elsewhere (afaik) including PEP and webBrowser.
Is this intended to be released under the MIT licence that the rest of Self is under or is this just an artifact of all the stuff being dumped into CVS?
I just asked Dave about this, and he said he thinks it's probably fine. I wouldn't worry about it.
Also I note the makefile put in at bin/linux about 5 months ago - does this mean the VM will now compile under linux?
That's a good question. :) I think it might. I know Dave was working on getting the latest version of Self running under Linux (and he says he thinks it should work now), but I don't have a Linux machine myself, so I haven't been able to try it.
Feel like giving it a shot and letting me know how it works out? :) If it does, we should get some new packages built and put them up on the Download page.
Adam
Hi Adam,
I have Ubuntu set up on Vmware on my mac, and have checked out the sf.net cvs tree, but frankly am a bit daunted by where to start compiling.
In linux I would expect the standard gnuish ./configure; make; make install but I'm not sure where to start with Self.
I don't suppose there is a recipe out there of the 'go to vm/linux and make interpreter' sort to get me started?
Russell
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Spitz" <adam.spitz@...> wrote:
Also I note the makefile put in at bin/linux about 5 months ago - does this mean the VM will now compile under linux?
That's a good question. :) I think it might. I know Dave was working on getting the
latest
version of Self running under Linux (and he says he thinks it should work now), but I
don't
have a Linux machine myself, so I haven't been able to try it.
Feel like giving it a shot and letting me know how it works out? :) If it does, we should
get
some new packages built and put them up on the Download page.
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
I have Ubuntu set up on Vmware on my mac, and have checked out the sf.net cvs tree, but frankly am a bit daunted by where to start compiling.
In linux I would expect the standard gnuish ./configure; make; make install but I'm not sure where to start with Self.
I don't suppose there is a recipe out there of the 'go to vm/linux and make interpreter' sort to get me started?
For now, if I had to guess, I'd say try something like:
add $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux and $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/shell to your path be sure you've got csh installed cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux; make cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/generated; make lists cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/optimized; make
I'm trying to get myself a Linux machine over here, so I can play with this myself. Haven't gotten it set up yet, though.
Adam
Thanks. I don't have an actual linux machine myself at the moment - I'm just working off vmware.
Preliminary play with the latest Ubuntu seems to get most of the way (once various libraries have been included). I can get it to more or less work up to the final link stage before ld crashes.
One problem I'm not sure how to get around is that Self seems to want to use termcap rather than ncurses which isn't supported on debian based systems.
I'll play some more and see if I get anywhere.
Cheers,
Russell
On 01/06/2008, at 2:21 PM, Adam Spitz wrote:
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
I have Ubuntu set up on Vmware on my mac, and have checked out the
sf.net
cvs tree, but frankly am a bit daunted by where to start compiling.
In linux I would expect the standard gnuish ./configure; make;
make install but I'm not
sure where to start with Self.
I don't suppose there is a recipe out there of the 'go to vm/linux
and make
interpreter' sort to get me started?
For now, if I had to guess, I'd say try something like:
add $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux and $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/shell to your path be sure you've got csh installed cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux; make cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/generated; make lists cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/optimized; make
I'm trying to get myself a Linux machine over here, so I can play with this myself. Haven't gotten it set up yet, though.
Adam
OK, I have a compiled executable on Ubuntu 8.10. Woohoo!
At the moment it loads the Demo snapshot, but the desktop doesn't come up.
This presumably means that the integration with X11 has gone wrong somewhere.
I'll have another try in a few days.
(PS: the Self VM has an enormous amount of debugging info! strip took the VM from 168M -> 1.6M!)
------------------------------------- russell-desktop:~/Desktop> ./Self -s Demo.snap for I386: LogVMMessages = true for I386: PrintScriptName = true for I386: Inline = true for I386: SICDeferUncommonBranches = false (not implemented) for I386: SICReplaceOnStack = false (not implemented) for I386: SaveOutgoingArgumentsOfPatchedFrames = true
Welcome to the Self system! (Version 4.2)
Copyright 1992-2006 Sun Microsystems, Inc. and Stanford University. See the LICENSE file for license information.
Type _Credits for full credits.
VM version: 4.1.12
Adjusting VM for better UI2 performance: _MaxPICSize: 25 _Flush "Self 2" desktop open Error: ENOSYS. Receiver is: raiseError. To debug in ui2, type: selfProcessModel debugProcess: 0 as to debug in console, type: attach: 0 to dump stack, type: 0 as printError. The desktop is already open! desktop "Self 3" desktop go Warning: Self 1(type: worldMorph) cannot go; no sourceHands. desktop "Self 4" 3 + 4 7 "Self 5" quit Save to Demo.snap before quitting? y => save, then quit n => quit without saving RET => cancel Response: n russell-desktop:~/Desktop>
On 03/06/2008, at 10:44 PM, Russell Allen wrote:
Thanks. I don't have an actual linux machine myself at the moment - I'm just working off vmware.
Preliminary play with the latest Ubuntu seems to get most of the way (once various libraries have been included). I can get it to more or less work up to the final link stage before ld crashes.
One problem I'm not sure how to get around is that Self seems to want to use termcap rather than ncurses which isn't supported on debian based systems.
I'll play some more and see if I get anywhere.
Cheers,
Russell
On 01/06/2008, at 2:21 PM, Adam Spitz wrote:
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, "russell.allen23" <mail@...> wrote:
I have Ubuntu set up on Vmware on my mac, and have checked out
the sf.net
cvs tree, but frankly am a bit daunted by where to start compiling.
In linux I would expect the standard gnuish ./configure; make;
make install but I'm not
sure where to start with Self.
I don't suppose there is a recipe out there of the 'go to vm/
linux and make
interpreter' sort to get me started?
For now, if I had to guess, I'd say try something like:
add $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux and $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/shell to your path be sure you've got csh installed cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/bin/linux; make cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/generated; make lists cd $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/optimized; make
I'm trying to get myself a Linux machine over here, so I can play with this myself. Haven't gotten it set up yet, though.
Adam
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, Russell Allen <mail@...> wrote:
OK, I have a compiled executable on Ubuntu 8.10. Woohoo!
At the moment it loads the Demo snapshot, but the desktop doesn't come up.
That's great!
Did you have to make any changes to the code? (If so, what?) Or was it just a matter of getting the right libraries and stuff installed?
Adam
I changed a reference in $SELF_WORKING_DIR/vm/linux/makeDeps.cpp to the gcc version from 4.1 to 4.2.
Also I did "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libncurses.a /usr/local/lib/ libtermcap.a" to deal with a linking issue (ncurses will apparently work as termcap if necessary). This presumably should be handled by a change in the build details somewhere, but I'm not sure where.
From a stock Ubuntu 8.04 I loaded: libc6-dev g++ flex-old build-essentials xorg-dev
Russell
On 05/06/2008, at 3:41 AM, Adam Spitz wrote:
--- In self-interest@yahoogroups.com, Russell Allen <mail@...> wrote:
OK, I have a compiled executable on Ubuntu 8.10. Woohoo!
At the moment it loads the Demo snapshot, but the desktop doesn't come up.
That's great!
Did you have to make any changes to the code? (If so, what?) Or was it just a matter of getting the right libraries and stuff installed?
Adam
Hi,
So I have worked out that I can load my module with:
bootstrap read: 'webserver' from: 'applications'
and file it out with:
modules webserver fileOut
Is there any way to remove my module from the image, reverting to a nice, clean webserver-less image?
Cheers,
Russell
Russell Allen wrote on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:39:17 +1000:
So I have worked out that I can load my module with: bootstrap read: 'webserver' from: 'applications' and file it out with: modules webserver fileOut Is there any way to remove my module from the image, reverting to a nice, clean webserver-less image?
I don't think this has been implemented. Given the annotations that every module has, this should be a lot easier to do than when you file in stuff with random expressions. Though a single module doesn't save the values it modified when loading, if you could look at all other modules and the initial values they define you should be able to figure out how to restore stuff. But this would require knowing the exact order in while all present modules were loaded in case multiple modules changed the same thing with different values.
This, of course, is the general case. For the typical case a new module only adds stuff without changing what was there before. Removing that should be pretty simple.
-- Jecel
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