Hi Selfers :-)
Just a short question from me.. Would Self run on a SparcStation IPC(4/40)? What's the slowest hardware capable of running Self?
thanks! coreQuester
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 09:19, coreQuester wrote:
Would Self run on a SparcStation IPC(4/40)?
Yes, if you have at least 32 MB of RAM.
What's the slowest hardware capable of running Self?
This is very subjective. After all, I used Linux and X Window on a 40 MH 386 with 4 MB of RAM for about two years and was reasonably happy with it.
Urs used a SparcStation 2 (which is a little faster than your IPC) simulation for all the benchmarks in his thesis. My experience is that Self is usable on a SparcStation 10 or 20, but is really more fun on an Ultra 1 and up. On the other hand, I was quite happy running Self 1.0 on Sun 3 machines. Of course, graphics speed didn't matter back then.
Here is part of an interesting table on page 109 of Urs' thesis (relative SPECInt92):
SparcStation 2 1.0 66 MHz Pentium 3.0 80 MHz PowerMac 2.9 SparcStation 20/61 4.0
This means that you might be much happier on a modern Mac or Linux PC even without the SIC (simple inlining compiler) than on a very low end Sparc machine. BTW, I have added a list of download sites to the Self swiki (http://www.merlintec.com:8080/Self).
One interesting information related to old machine is the cTimes table included for each benchmark in Self. Here is an example from 'globals benchmarks atAllPut cTimes':
ss10_41 = 11 sun3_60 = 304 sun4_110 = 65 sun4_260 = 65 sun4_390 = 45 sun4c_50 = 29 sun4c_60 = 45 sun4c_75 = 29
and here is 'globals benchmarks bubble cTimes':
ss10_30 = 33 ss10_41 = 21 sun3_160 = 440 sun3_50 = 408 sun3_60 = 302 sun4_110 = 185 sun4_260 = 195 sun4_390 = 123 sun4c_50 = 67 sun4c_60 = 163 sun4c_75 = 67
-- Jecel
Thank you all very much with your quick and informative answers! Guess I'm not buying that IPC afterall..
bye, cq
I wouldn't use anything but an Ultra 1 or higher. I tried running just Linux on a Sparc Classic recently, and it was so slow in comparison to any low end intel box.
You might also look into running a Mac and Mr. Ungar's recent port to that.
Dru Nelson San Carlos, California
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, corequester wrote:
Hi Selfers :-)
Just a short question from me.. Would Self run on a SparcStation IPC(4/40)? What's the slowest hardware capable of running Self?
thanks! coreQuester
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On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 02:19 AM, corequester wrote:
What's the slowest hardware capable of running Self?
It runs painfully slow(compared to the Self video) on my 450Mhz G4 Mac with 512MB. But maybe this has to do with the current state of the Mac port.
Steve
Steve,
Which version are you running? You might try 4.1.5.
- Dave
At 7:10 PM -0700 4/30/02, Steve Dekorte wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 02:19 AM, corequester wrote:
What's the slowest hardware capable of running Self?
It runs painfully slow(compared to the Self video) on my 450Mhz G4 Mac with 512MB. But maybe this has to do with the current state of the Mac port.
Steve
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On Thursday 02 May 2002 18:32, David Ungar wrote:
You might try 4.1.5.
Thanks for the new release! I updated the Self swiki (http://www.merlintec.com:8080/Self) to reflect this.
It might be interesting to make an older version, like 4.1.2, available as well since that is what somebody with Mac OS 9 or with Solaris 2.6 would need.
Since the bytecodes have changed, I was unable to try the 4.1.2 VM on the new snapshots (like I did with 4.1.4). I have the CDs to upgrade my machine to Solaris 2.8, but I haven't done it because I am not sure Self 4.0 would still work. And I still need to use that version once in a while to run old stuff. Does anybody know what is the lastest version of Solaris that can run Self 4.0?
-- Jecel
On Friday 03 May 2002 14:46, I wrote:
Since the bytecodes have changed, I was unable to try the 4.1.2 VM on the new snapshots (like I did with 4.1.4). I have the CDs to upgrade my machine to Solaris 2.8, but I haven't done it because I am not sure Self 4.0 would still work. And I still need to use that version once in a while to run old stuff. Does anybody know what is the lastest version of Solaris that can run Self 4.0?
I have just upgraded to Solaris 8 (or is that 2.8?) and Self 4.0 still works perfectly. And now I can run 4.1.5 as well. The reason I was afraid things might break is that little things like text selection didn't work in Self 4.0 on Solaris 6 as well as they did on older versions of the OS, so I thought I might have even more problems on an even newer version. I haven't done extensive testing, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
-- Jecel
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