Jecel wrote:
It is indeed much like the Wiki Wiki Web or the SWiki, but I felt something more structured would be better.
I've the same feeling but then a friend of mine told me (and somewhat convinced me) that hypertext is actually made for non-structured data and that at least some spaces in your web should feature this kind of unstructured (chaotic) data as this can feature creativity.
[pyweb]
Sounds very interesting, but looking through some search engines (even at http://www.python.org) didn't turn up anything. It is always nice to look at sample source code, but I will still have to write most of this site from scratch.
If I'm back home again, I can send you the source.
- at some point there will be a demand for the software at this site to be distributed via CD-ROMs. Many people prefer to pay $20 or so in order not to have to download 30MB over a modem.
I really like that idea!
I am looking into selling these CD-ROMs myself (though anyone else is free to do so as well). Should I have a system where people can tag that stuff they put on the web site shouldn't go into the CD-ROM?
by adding content to the web, people already agreed upon distribution I think. You should warn them that they give away there exclusive copyright to the one who produces the CD. However, they also keep the copyright for all other matters. Therefore, I think that's not needed.
- the site will be multilingual: every page will include links
Cool idea, but i fear that this will reduce the usage of the overall site if people start to write things in there own language only. You should force them to submit at least an english (=international) version. And what's about but reports and other notes - will you provide them also as multilangual?
go to the technology page[pt][FR][es][de]. Also see... --------------- -- -- -- --
You could also use little flags - in bright colors for up-to-date info and in dim colors for older information. Up to date flags might even be animated as if they're moved by the wind.
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Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
Jecel wrote:
It is indeed much like the Wiki Wiki Web or the SWiki, but I felt something more structured would be better.
I've the same feeling but then a friend of mine told me (and somewhat convinced me) that hypertext is actually made for non-structured data and that at least some spaces in your web should feature this kind of unstructured (chaotic) data as this can feature creativity.
True - that is what hypertext is for. But for linking bug reports to code that fixes them a free form system would make the user have to take care of too many details manually.
Another example: a list of members. You can give people a blank page and they can type whatever they like about themselves. Or you can give them a form with spaces for their name, email, home page, hobbies, and so on. You will have to think a lot less to give out the basic data in this second system, and you can still have a field at the bottom where people can type whatever they like.
[selling CD-ROMs with web site. Would people mind?]
by adding content to the web, people already agreed upon distribution I think. You should warn them that they give away there exclusive copyright to the one who produces the CD. However, they also keep the copyright for all other matters. Therefore, I think that's not needed.
Well, if I sell CD-ROMs with the stuff on the site, anyone else should be free to do so as well. So it wouldn't be a good idea to transfer the copyrights to me. I know that anything on a web site is public already, but I like to avoid hurt feelings are much as I try to avoid lawsuits. For example, the Self 4 license allows me to do anything I want, but I prefer to ask permission from the orginal Self group and respect their wishes, even though legally I don't have to.
- the site will be multilingual: every page will include links
Cool idea, but i fear that this will reduce the usage of the overall site if people start to write things in there own language only. You should force them to submit at least an english (=international) version. And what's about but reports and other notes - will you provide them also as multilangual?
This is a big problem, and I don't have a solution yet. It wouldn't do much good for someone to submit a bug report in French is none of the developer involved know how to read it. My idea is that the multilingual thing would be mostly for the informative pages at first.
Depending on how successful my Merlin 6 "Self computer" turns out to be in Brazil, however, we could soon have a large number of Self users who don't speak English. I hope I figure this out before then.
go to the technology page[pt][FR][es][de]. Also see... --------------- -- -- -- --You could also use little flags - in bright colors for up-to-date info and in dim colors for older information. Up to date flags might even be animated as if they're moved by the wind.
Great idea! Apple had a prototype GUI in which older files were increasingly yellow, and it seemed like a very compact way of encoding "freshness" information. Thanks for the tip.
-- Jecel
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At 05:32 PM 5/31/99 -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
Another example: a list of members. You can give people a blank page and they can type whatever they like about themselves. Or you can give them a form with spaces for their name, email, home page, hobbies, and so on. You will have to think a lot less to give out the basic data in this second system, and you can still have a field at the bottom where people can type whatever they like.
Actually, I think the best way would be if you could also create your own custom templates for this kind of forms. Otherwise I agree that the less choices people have, the better will be the result.
I know that anything on a web site is public already, but I like to avoid hurt feelings are much as I try to avoid lawsuits.
It's public available not to for the public to copy. This is what copy right really means - the exclusive right to duplicate the work (and to make money from that). Think about books. They're public available (you don't need to sign a contract or an NDA for most book ;-) but you're not allowed to reproduce them.
So people must agree that you (and possible other) have the right to copy their work.
PS: did you checked out already the communities of deja.com which seems to be more than just a discussion board but also include tools for collaborative work like a chat tool, a drawing board, a way to work on shared web pages and so on.
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It's public available not to for the public to copy. This is what copy right really means - the exclusive right to duplicate the work (and to make money from that). Think about books. They're public available (you don't need to sign a contract or an NDA for most book ;-) but you're not allowed to reproduce them.
So people must agree that you (and possible other) have the right to copy their work.
PS: did you checked out already the communities of deja.com which seems to be more than just a discussion board but also include tools for collaborative work like a chat tool, a drawing board, a way to work on shared web pages and so on.
Hey, I use eGroups to view the messages and they have chat and shared web pages as well. I don't think they have a drawing board.
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Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
It's public available not to for the public to copy. This is what copy right really means - the exclusive right to duplicate the work (and to make money from that). Think about books. They're public available (you don't need to sign a contract or an NDA for most book ;-) but you're not allowed to reproduce them.
So people must agree that you (and possible other) have the right to copy their work.
Ah... this is an interesting viewpoint. I guess I am too involved in the technical side of the web to see this kind of thing. Since browsing a web page involves *copying* that page to your local machine (http is a protocol for copying files, after all) it seemed natural to me that if a page wasn't protected by passwords or something that the author was granting people permission to copy it.
But now that you put it that way, I can see that people think of it as if they were reading the pages *on the server* itself, and so it would only be copying if they uploaded the page to some other server. Some people allow you to user their images if you link to the originals instead of copying them to your site. This is like the idea of "transclusion" (I think that was the term) from Ted Nelson's Xanadu: you can quote but not copy.
[deja.com]
Thanks for the tip. I looked around there, but only saw the polls and usenet lists, not that shared stuff you mentioned.
On a related subject: I am seriously considering getting a dedicated link to the internet instead of going with the RapidSite web hosting service. The down side to this would be that the link would only be 33K and it would be much harder for me to keep the site up for 24 hours a day. But I would have more control - I could do all the programming in Self instead of Python, for example :-)
-- Jecel
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