FYI (the second part :-) , sorry for the delay) btw, Gordon Cichon also told me, that he can no longer send any mails to self-interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ungar" David.Ungar@sun.com To: "Harald Gliebe" harald@gliebe.de; self-interest@yahoogroups.com Cc: gordon@cichon.de; david.ungar@sun.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [Ann:] Self4Linux-0.2.0 alpha available
Guys, this sounds like a great accomplishment!!!
Congratulations and thanks!
- David
BTW--I cannot send mail to the self-interest group, and I am pretty frustrated with yahoo's web site so feel free to forward this mail to the group. Not only does yahoo want to collect personal info on me before they will let me send a message, but their stuff just doesn't seem to work for me, even when I answer their questions. (This is just my personal opinion, of course.)
Here is the latest message I have tried (unsuccessfully, so far) to send out: (feel free to relay this one, too.)
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Victor,
I use both Suns and Macs. I have a brand-new 667Mhz Powerbook. The experience is definitely better on a Sun--very snappy on a 400Mhz machine. (Remember, the optimizing compiler is only on SPARC.) But I find it usable on the Mac...more like the early days of Self. And my Mac is very useful for all sorts of things. My bottom line: if you want a machine just for Self and you will be doing a LOT of Selfing you could consider the Sun. Otherwise I would recommend the Mac.
Hope this helps.
The latest version of Self may not have gotten out on the Web. If you do get a Mac, or if others need this, please bug me a bit so I will bug the folks here at Sun to get this out to you.
(I use a version that runs natively under OS X. It uses either MacToolbox or X graphics for the display.)
- Dave
At 2:08 AM +0000 12/20/01, victor_yurkovsky wrote:
I am finally breaking down and will get a self machine. Is the mac version tolerable or should I just go the sun way? Can I use gnu tools to compile self sources or will I need to shell out big bucks to Sun for a developer kit? (I am a bit peeved that they are selling memory for 10 times street price...)
Any input welcome. Thanks in advance.
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On Sunday 30 December 2001 10:43, Harald Gliebe wrote:
FYI (the second part :-) , sorry for the delay) btw, Gordon Cichon also told me, that he can no longer send any mails to self-interest.
I am afraid that I have had some problems with yahooGroups myself, but given that some people are subscribed in a "view via web" mode it would be too painful to change to something else (even a modest server like I have could easily handle a low volume list with less than 200 subscribers, so I have thought about this before).
Looking through the membership list, I couldn't find Gordon Cichon there even though he was subscribed the last time I looked a few weeks back. So I am sending him a copy in case he is no longer receiving mails from this list.
In the case of David Ungar it seems that he and several other people are subscribed with "Eng.Sun.Com" addresses but now are using only "sun.com". Unfortunately, I can't fix that myself - each person will have to follow the instructions about "alternate email addresses" and that can be a real hassle if you don't have a Yahoo identity and remember your password.
In another thread (subject: Self4Linux-0.2.1) there seems to be several empty messages except for an attachment (at least for those who requested non HTML messages). If you look at these same messages via the web (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/self-interest/message/1177) the text is there. It seems that Yahoo has some kind of a problem when dealing with attachments in replies.
-- Jecel
self-interest@lists.selflanguage.org
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