<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Glad it worked!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know from the logs that not everyone is being so lucky.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is a persistent bug which is causing the process which is responsible for killing off expired sessions to crash. This then means that the poor little server quickly fills up with sessions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m trying to find what’s happening but don’t understand it yet. When I’ve succeeded I’ll let everyone know…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Russell<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Aug 2019, at 10:56 pm, Stephen De Gabrielle <a href="mailto:spdegabrielle@gmail.com" class="">spdegabrielle@gmail.com</a> [self-interest] <<a href="mailto:self-interest@yahoogroups.com" class="">self-interest@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; position: relative;" class=""><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;" class=""><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Wow! This is really nice. Worked first time (macOS / Safari).<div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Stephen</div></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:50 AM Russell Allen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mail@russell-allen.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">mail@russell-allen..com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[self-interest] <<a href="mailto:self-interest@yahoogroups.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">self-interest@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; line-height: 1.22em; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></u><div style="line-height: 1.22em; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> </span><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-mlmsg" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Hi again,</p><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">So in the last month I’ve made a few background changes to the code for trying Self online to improve robustness. Hopefully it is more likely to work if you try it!</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I’ve also added a new feature, which is allowing multiple users to access the running Self world.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">This functionality was already in the standard Self image (though buried in the MacOS version), I’ve just made it more visible and integrated it with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://ourself.io/" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">OurSelf.io</a> stack.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">To try it out, start a trial Self world, and open the desktop for it in your browser.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Then do the following: </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(users userNamed: ‘Guest’) password: ’secret’.. “ <- must be 8 chars or less “</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Then from the main menu, choose ‘Give user access…’, choose ‘Guest’ from the users list.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">You should get a URL, which you can put into a separate browser window.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">There should now be two views onto your Self world. Each view can move around, and has full access to everything. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I’ve now been developing this through the browser window for a bit (rather than doing it locally and uploading the snapshots). It isn’t as fast as a local Self, especially in terms of latency, but it is quite usable and the ability to just stop what I’m doing, close the browser window and then restart my work just by going to a webpage on other computer is quite nice.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Anyway, I’m keeping on working on this so if any of you manage to get it working and give feedback that would be cool</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Cheers! Russell</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On 29 Jun 2019, at 11:39 am, Russell Allen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mail@russell-allen.com" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">mail@russell-allen.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[self-interest] <<a href="mailto:self-interest@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">self-interest@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-mlmsg" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4047862508511652964ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Hi all<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I have a *very* early demo up at:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://ourself.io/" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;" class="">https://ourself.io</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">:) Russell<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></p></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 0px;" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 0px;" class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 0px;" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>