<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>A few things came out of this:</div><div><br></div><div>- There is still interest in Self. The blog announcement logged almost 25,000 views in the last 24 hours and stayed on the front page of HN and r/programming for hours</div><div>- The website needs a refresh with a focus on people outside the community eg getting started material, simple explanations of what Self is</div><div>- screencasts are good. People found the existing screencasts by Chris Double and others very useful.</div><div>- a Windows version would be good</div><div>- Morphic based visual programming is divisive, and will both attract and deter users</div><div>- People like puns</div><div><br></div><div>My favourite comment from Reddit, which we should take to heart:</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Interesting, it looks like some variant of Smalltalk. Hopefully we'll see more innovation in OOP."</span></div><div><br></div><div>Russell</div><br><div><div>On 13 Jan 2014, at 10:54 pm, Bernat Romagosa <<a href="mailto:tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com">tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto;"><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; position: relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;">Someone submitted the link to HN, just wanted to point out the discussion thread: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7047953" style="line-height: 1.22em;">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7047953</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="gmail_quote" style="line-height: 1.22em;">2014/1/13 Chris Double<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><<a href="mailto:chris.double@double.co.nz" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;">chris.double@double.co.nz</a>></span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid;"><u style="line-height: 1.22em;"></u><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><span style="line-height: 1.22em;"> </span><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;">On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Baltasar <<a href="mailto:baltasarq@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;">baltasarq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> #vm 'worldBuilder.self' _RunScript<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">If you want to run these scripts, best to do it with cwd set to the<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">'objects' subdirectory. So I do:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">$ cd objects<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">objects$ ../Self<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">VM# 'worldBuilder.self' _RunScript<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">I describe something like this at:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><<a href="http://bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/07/27/building-and-using-self-on-linux.html" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;">http://bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/07/27/building-and-using-self-on-linux.html</a>><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">Note that the build instructions there are out of date but it should<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">give you the idea.</p><div class="im" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> Another, completely different issue is how bad the font is seen in Ubuntu. Maybe is just that the system font is too small in the title window, and in the buttons: Get it, Do it and Close. Can that be somehow fixed?<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div>Fonts are horrible, I agree. See my attempts at working on this here<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">to get Xft support:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/messages/2927" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;">http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/messages/2927</a>><div class="im" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> Finally, in the self page the tutorial in:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://selflanguage.org/_static/tutorial/index.html" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;">http://selflanguage.org/_static/tutorial/index.html</a>is recommended. The problem is how to start. Nowhere is to be found how to create a new, empty object, so you can start with the balance example.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div>To get an empty object evaluate: (| |)<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">You can then add parents,etc from the GUI. Or you can also do: (|<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">parent* = traits clonable |) copy<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">If you do "Get it" vs "Do it" you get the object instance in the hand.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><a href="http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;">http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br clear="all" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">Bernat Romagosa.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 0px;"></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>