<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, I agree. Klein is experimental. If you want real Self, port the real VM. </div><div>Great to hear about your interest!<br><br>- David (from iPad, typos likely)</div><div><br>On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Russell Allen <<a href="mailto:mail@russell-allen.com">mail@russell-allen.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Hi Thorsten,<br>
<br>
I have been looking at setting up a Self VM project with some seed <br>
money as well, on similar lines (ie limited money, hobby, no Dita von <br>
Teese)<br>
<br>
My perspective is that moving the VM to ARM is one very nice thing we <br>
should do, but there are other smaller initial tasks that would be very <br>
useful.<br>
<br>
Klein is fascinating, but a big bang project. The danger is that if we <br>
do nothing but Klein then we will have a period where our new VM is yet <br>
to come, but our existing VM can't be compiled or used. And if we run <br>
out of resources half way through we have nothing.<br>
<br>
If we have a project to clean up the existing VM, this will attract <br>
hopefully more interest and use and more resources...<br>
<br>
The existing VM is big and scary, but works and is in a small set of <br>
powerful cross platform VMs.<br>
<br>
So although I would love a revamped Klein on Arm, I would also like an <br>
upgraded and cleaned up C++ VM on Mac and Linux.<br>
<br>
- Russell<br>
<br>
On 09.12.2011 04:48, Thorsten Dittmar wrote:<br>
> Thx David,<br>
><br>
> thats really good news.<br>
><br>
> just to make one point crystal clear: Self is unfortunately only a<br>
> hobby for me, not a business. If I would like to spend an amount of<br>
> money with 6 digits for a hobby, I would ask Dita von Teese to marry<br>
> me. So this payment would be more like a compensation for expenses<br>
> plus some pocket money, so no big business for the third group.<br>
> anyhow, self is an obsession for most of us and to get payed for an<br>
> obsession should reduce the compensation for personal suffering a<br>
> little bit ;-)<br>
><br>
> best regards<br>
><br>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Thorsten Dittmar wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hello folks,<br>
>><br>
>> I had a short private discussion with Gordon about that topic.<br>
>> Specially about the topic if it makes sense to port self as it is<br>
> to<br>
>> ARM or if it would be better to get Klein up and running. Of<br>
> course,<br>
>> it would be funny to have self on a table or so, but from my point<br>
>> of view this would cause a lot of changes across the complete<br>
> system<br>
>> and we would spend a lot of time with C++ code.<br>
>><br>
>> I would be willing to finance the Klein implementation… of<br>
>> course, it depends on the price and the quality.<br>
>><br>
>> Is guess we will need three kind of people<br>
>><br>
>> first group:<br>
>> the folks with the money. I'm the first one. I would be happy if<br>
>> somebody else will join<br>
>><br>
>> second group:<br>
>> the quality guards. I have an allergy against C++, so I can not<br>
>> really evaluate the code… ok ok, it is not really an allergy, I'm<br>
>> just to stupid to it<br>
>> I would sleep much better, if some of the old hands would take over<br>
>> this part.<br>
>><br>
>> third group:<br>
>> the code junkies<br>
>><br>
>> So, I made the first step by entering the first group. Is somebody<br>
>> will to accede my or one of the other groups?<br>
>><br>
>> best regards<br>
>><br>
>> thorsten<br>
>><br>
>> (btw: I can pay in Euros or Dollars ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Gordon Cichon wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I'd be willing to do it. My name is Gordon, and I started the<br>
>>> first x86 port of the Self VM. (before that, Self was considered<br>
>> a<br>
>>> Sparc-only system). I've also hardware experience with ARM<br>
>>> architecture. For reference, please ask David Ungar.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Gordon<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.self-support.com/">http://www.self-support.com/</a> [5]<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 12/06/2011 11:56 AM, C wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> A prerequisite to finding funding is finding someone who is<br>
>>>> qualified and willing to work on the VM. If you know of anyone<br>
>>>> I'd be interested in talking to them.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Russell<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 06/12/2011, at 8:30 PM, Gordon Cichon wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi guys,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> is there a possibility to obtain any funding for this<br>
>>>>> project? Maybe setting it up as a research project?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>> Gordon<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 12/06/2011 04:21 AM, <a href="mailto:ungar%40mac.com">ungar@mac.com</a> [3] wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Yup. It would take a really clever guy!<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> - David<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Double wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jeremiah S. Junken wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > has anyone successfully run Self 4.x on an ARM<br>
>>>>>>> architecture?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> There is no ARM compiler backend and Self does not have<br>
>>>>>>> an interpreter<br>
>>>>>>> so it'd be a fair amount of effort to get it working.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz">http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz</a> [2]<br>
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