<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I was talking about the dev environment for Klein on an arm not because I wanted everybody to drop everything and get a beagle board, that would probably hit the wall pretty fast.<div>It was merely to get some ideas and discussion.</div><div>I gathered some friends, they are not that interested in self (one can't blame them, they are either total c freaks or the java generation...hope that will change :)),</div><div>but they started to drool when I told them about a free beagleboard in exchange for some thoughts on compiler development.</div><div>Maybe they will catch the bait and I can collect a small Klein team over here :D</div><div>So don't worry about it any longer, just wait :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers Jan</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 28, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Russell Allen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div id="ygrp-text"><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>To be honest, I don't think Klein makes sense at this time. It's too experimental and there's too much new work needed to be done on it.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>I totally agree on that :)<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><div><br></div><div>Porting the existing C++ VM to Windows and also ARM is a straight forward exercise treading an already travelled path: the VM has already moved from Solaris->Mac OS X->Linux and Sparc->PPC->x86</div><div><br></div><div>All that is needed is someone with time and suitable C++ skills. (Btw, if there is anyone qualified and interested in the task it might even be possible for some resources to be found to help fund it.)</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>I would love to do that, but I don't have any c++ skills and don't plan to get them :D<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><div>- Russell</div><br><div><div>On 28/12/2010, at 4:20 PM, Josh Flowers wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div id="ygrp-text"><p>I'd love to have Self on a touch device, but I don't think it makes sense as a community focus (yet).<br></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>Totally agree on that too.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-text"><p>
Seems to me that we're in the early stages of one of those resource management games - where you need to focus on getting the stuff that lets you build other stuff. In our case that means getting more active developers so we can work on a broader range of features.<br>
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The obvious move is a windows port, in which case Klein and maybe an OpenGL/GLUT layer make sense (assuming I fully understand what Klein brings to the party). Any other thoughts?<br>
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>> The other thing is, maybe we should pick a device and make it the main supported platform for self.<br>
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>> <a href="http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm">http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm</a><br>
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> It might be good to focus on one platform, but I don't think it should be a touchpad. Self would have to change a LOT to be useable without a mouse. See <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/07/ballmer-and-microsoft-still-doesnt-get-the-ipad.ars">http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/07/ballmer-and-microsoft-still-doesnt-get-the-ipad.ars</a> for some examples of how an environment has to be designed for touch interaction. This is something Apple's been able to (and had to) put a bazillion person-hours into for the iPad OS.<br>
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