<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Oct 21, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; ">
<span style="display:none"> </span>
<div id="ygrp-text"><p>Jan-Paul Bultmann wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hey,<br>
> I noticed that Self does not have a unit-testing Framework.<br>
<br>
True.<br>
<br>
> In Smalltalk test driven development is a fundamental part of the <br>
> system, at least as far as I know.<br>
<br>
It is now a major part of Smalltalk and other language frameworks. The<br>
rise of agile programming methods is one factor that has made unit<br>
testing more popular.<br>
<br>
> So were there just more important things to do or is this a design <br>
> choice?<br>
> Are unit-tests useless in the self world or is there a better thing <br>
> I'm just missing :)?<br>
<br>
It is important to remember that the Self project was killed way back in<br>
1995. David Ungar continued to improve things on his own and was finally<br>
able to release his changes in 2000. More improvements were done by<br>
Dave's team as part of the Kline project until that was killed in 2006.<br>
As far as I know, Russell Allen is behind most of the changes since<br>
then.<br>
<br>
A result of this history is that many things in Self are frozen as they<br>
were back in 1995. If you look at the built in web browser, for example,<br>
it doesn't even understand tables. I would say that the lack of a unit<br>
test framework is due to the same thing.<br>
<br>
In Self, a unit testing framework would probably be more elegant than in<br>
Smalltalk since it is so much easier to create unique objects.<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yeah, I thought of that too.</div><div>I'd be pretty easy to use mock objects simply by exchanging some slots.</div><div><br></div><div>Greets Jan</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><p>
<br>
-- Jecel<br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<!-- end group email -->
</blockquote></div><br></body></html>