<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Stefan,<div><br></div><div>Sorry for the delay in replying!<br><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 04/12/2009, at 9:45 PM, Stefan Hanenberg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div id="ygrp-text"><p>Many thanks for the answers (I will give some comments in a separate mail).<br>
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Russell Allen schrieb:<br>
> While I've got you, one unrelated question: How do you start your Self<br>
> snapshot/vm? There are a number of ways and I was recently surprised that<br>
> someone was doing things in a convoluted way I didn't expect, so I'm trying<br>
> to get a feel for how people are using it (especially on Linux, which is a<br>
> new platform for us)<br>
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I do not exactly know what "kind of answer" you expect....but lets see ;-)<br>
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I did the installation of self in the "ordinary way" (having the binary <br>
accessible in /usr/bin). I start a snapshot via "self -s MySnaphot.snap"<wbr>.<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Thanks, this is a good way. Have you tried making the snapshot executable and running it? That should also work, assuming that you have run the INSTALL shellscript (which puts a link to the Self binary at /usr/bin/Self) or otherwise put the Self binary on your path.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><p>2 things that seem to be somehow strange:<br>
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1.<br>
I used self first with a live-version of ubuntu 9.3. There, the refresh <br>
(or redraw) of the world-object did not work right: whenever I opened <br>
the Demo snapshot and scrolled right in the world object, "a chaotic <br>
collection of pixels was shown". Just taking one window into the hand <br>
and "wipe over the world" corrected it. Now, I am using a regular <br>
installation of Ubuntu 9.10 and this effect is no longer there. I do not <br>
know whether this effect depends on the live version or on ubuntu 9.3.<br>
<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Odd. I haven't seen this myself. If it happens to me I will investigate it, but as it works for your new Ubuntu I think I'll leave it alone for now.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><p>
2.<br>
Whenever I saved a snapshop and reopen it in the way as described above, <br>
I always get the following message:<br>
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############<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#####<br>
VM version: 4.1.13<br>
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Adjusting VM for better UI2 performance:<br>
_MaxPICSize: 25<br>
"Self 1" _Flush<br>
Could not open display "ROSE:0.0", error: primitiveFailedErro<wbr>r<br>
1. Try Again<br>
2. Try Local Display<br>
3. Give Up<br>
############<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#########<wbr>#####<br>
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(rose is the name of my machine)<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I can reproduce this and will look into the best way of fixing it before the next release (which is due soon). I assume that when you choose "Try Local Display" it works?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><p>
3.<br>
Leaving self from the terminal is slightly "unwieldy": I have to press <br>
CTRL-C for some times, say that I really want to leave Self, etc.<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>If you are in the normal Self 'shell' you should be able to say 'quit' and choose 'n' when asked if you want to save the image (or y if you do).</div><div><br></div><div>If you are in the debugger, ^d should stop Self at once.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"><div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"><div id="ygrp-text"><p>
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By the way.....since we are near christmas...<wbr>.<br>
It would be great to have windows version of self (I know, much <br>
work...someone has to do it), since it would be easier to convince some <br>
of my students to "play a little bit with self".<br>
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....just a comment....since it is almost christmas ;-)<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I will ask Santa nicely... but I suspect I am more likely to get coal in my stocking :) :)</div><div><br></div><div>- Russell</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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