<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi Carter,</div><div><br></div><div>Changelog is at <a href="http://selflanguage.org/documentation/changes/detailed/index.html">http://selflanguage.org/documentation/changes/detailed/index.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Doesn't include the latest round of changes yet, which are primarily a new set of primitives for the mac gui and the linux port.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, Russell</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 29/06/2009, at 8:09 PM, Carter Cheng wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; width: 655px; position: relative; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; width: 470px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 25px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: left; z-index: 1; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks for the reply. I am currently thinking of implementing my own "runtime" system which uses self as the programming language of choice to interface with the system. I suspect just embedding the current VM given my requirements may not work that well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">One follow up question (if you don't mind)- is there a changelog detailing the changes between Self 4.1 (described by the pdf) and Self 4.4? How substantial are these changes?<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Thanks again,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Carter.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">--- In<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:self-interest%40yahoogroups.com" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(30, 102, 174); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; ">self-interest@<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">yahoogroups.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">com</a>, Russell Allen <mail@...> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Hi Carter,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I'm not sure that you can ever be 100% safe from patents in the modern<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> world...<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I can say that it is feasible to create a project with Self's<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> optimisation techniques and release it under a OSS licence because that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> is precisely what Self is! As well, a number of OSS and commercial<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> virtual machines have incorporated elements from Self's compilation<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> strategies over the years, including Google's V8, Strongtalk and the now<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> open source Java VM.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> (This of course isn't legal advice - if you are doing something<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> commercially that might attract the attention of patent trolls then<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> consult a good patent attorney twice a day before meals and get plenty<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> of healthy outdoors exercise. But that advice applies to everything, not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> just Self :)<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Are you thinking of embedding the Self VM itself, or writing a new VM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> from scratch for a Self-like language?<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Cheers,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Russell<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Carter Cheng wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > Hi,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > I have been thinking about doing some implementation work and writing a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > self like system where self is the embedded language. I am curious to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > what extent the ideas in self are patented or in the public domain<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > (especially w.r.t. various optimization techniques described in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > literature). Is it feasible to undertake such a project and release it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > under an OSS licence?<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > Thanks in advance,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> > Carter.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></p></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; clear: both; "></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>