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<p>Stefan Urbanek wrote:
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Hi Stef!</font></font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Albertina,
<p>On 2004-03-06 10:57:42 +0100 Albertina Lourenci <lourenci@lsi.usp.br>
wrote:
<p>>
<br>>
<br>> Stefan Urbanek wrote:
<br>> Dear Stefan!
<br>> See below!
<br>>
<br>>> On 2004-03-05 22:06:07 +0100 Jecel Assumpcao Jr <jecel@merlintec.com>
wrote:
<br>>>
<p><snip>
<p>>>
<br>>> The advantage is, as I have mentioned before, the different computational
<br>>> model and well tested, fast runtime. Those are features that no
other (or
<br>>> very few) scripting languages/environments offer. This moves Self
to
<br>>> another, higher level, where one can use it not only for small pieces
of
<br>>> code. One can use it for larger (user customisable) parts of an
<br>>> application. There are lots problems that can be solved in Self
much more
<br>>> easier than in C/C++/ObjectiveC.
<br>>
<br>> I believe nobody has doubts about Self's power of expressiveness.
<br>>
<p>Well ... nobody here has doubts. You know about the power, people on
this list know, I do and perhaps very-very few others, but that is all.
In fact, Self does not exists. I'll move a bit offtopic, but ... if current
developers of self will retire, Self will retire with them. And that would
be pity.
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Sure! When they die the world will
not be better and they will die without memory! I am running the same risk
with my modeling</font></font></blockquote>
<font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>to design and plan sustainable cities.</font></font>
<br><font color="#CC66CC"><font size=+1>Many interesting applications will
stop because computer science is still crawling!</font></font>
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<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> How I see it? Application using one or more Self environments. Ok,
now I
<br>>> let my imagination go... What about stadard application as a frontend
to a
<br>>> distributed self environments on different machines?
<br>>
<br>> This sounds great. Distributed Self environments on different machines
as the
<br>> basis of a collaborative architecture. Something
<br>> like OpenCroquet (Alan Kay and so on) intends to offer to develop
<br>> applications written in Squeak?:-)!
<br>>
<p>Yes, and it is not too difficult to create something with OpenCroquet
idea.</blockquote>
<font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Here where I am Internet 2 is
already a reality. Hence we could run</font></font>
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>OpenCroquet when there will be
a working version available and</font></font>
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>work collaboratively with researchers
in American universities.</font></font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Different from Squeak implementation there is one,
perhaps not very nice analogy:
<p>There is: WWW (passive) worlds + web browser
<br>There can be: Self (active) worlds + not-yet-written user (non-self)
interface application.
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Something like OpenCroquet in (SelfCroquet
:-)!) sounds wonderful!</font></font></blockquote>
<font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1></font></font>
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<br>If environment-native application (with environment-native visualising
graphical tools) was used as an entrance or window to Self worlds, then
it can be easily adaptable for potential users. And I think that it would
be much more easier to introduce native app than to introduce something
totally new.
<p>Just imagine what everything can be done with those "living selfish
worlds"... :-)
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>It is up to us that tune
to "living selfish worlds" to accomplish them :-)!</font></font></blockquote>
<font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Ciao</font></font>
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1>Albertina</font></font>
<br><font color="#CC33CC"><font size=+1><A HREF="http://www.lsi.usp.br/~lourenci">http://www.lsi.usp.br/~lourenci</A></font></font>
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<br>Best regards,
<p>Stefan Urbanek
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