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Dru Nelson wrote:
<p>*How Does this Affect Self and the Other Projects Here*
<p>I don't think that this interferes with any of the other projects
<br>mentioned here: Self Mac OS, MerlinTech, other ports, etc.
<br>I intend to keep going on Cel. However, it is nowhere
<br>near as polished as Ungar's Self on the Mac. Cel is still
<br>a system in flux and many things were implemented in the
<br>'naive' way :-)</blockquote>
Indeed even for me more people interested in prototypes and
<br>doing research in prototypes is welcome!!!
<br>The only hurdle for me is that from now on I shall be registered
<br>as an advisor at POLI (Polytechnic School of the University of
<br>Sao Paulo) which is considered the best and biggest school
<br>of Latin America.
<br>For example my contacts with the Group of Energy, another
<br>big group of studies at Electrical Engineering enable me
<br>to implement one of the dearest part of my ecodesign model.
<br>It deals with the electric model of the wall. This model
<br>enables one to build panels of several layers made of
<br>different materials that give precision of air conditioning
<br>wherever they are built. I mean the model covers the
<br>range of climates all over the world.
<br>One has to vary the thermal resistances and capacitances of the
<br>So I can work right now with graduate students from Mechanical
<br>Engineering and those from the Group of Energy.
<br>But the point is, how will this simulation be implemented?
<p>How will I teach Self to the students, if I do not know much
<br>about debuggers and so on ...I am sure they won't do better
<br>than I. I have long years of studying OO languages and environment.
<br>An engineer in Brazil know at best case C++. I can do this
<br>part of the work in C++ of course. But then how will I integrate
<br>it in my knowledge based system?
<br>These are things I have to solve right now!!!
<br>So should I ask FAPESP a Sun to run Self, who on this list
<br>can tell me if there will be a real version for PC.
<br>It seems even for people in the North Hemisphere it is
<br>not that easy to have a Sun.
<br>So if someone can suggest me how to solve this hurdle,
<br>I shall be happy. FAPESP is offering me the opportunity
<br>to go abroad for a year to develop a tutorial in Self.
<br>If someone here is able to work with me in his/her
<br>laboratory to accomplish this goal, I would be the
<br>happiest woman/human being in the world!
<p>Anyhow even for accomplishing this simulation it is
<br>better if I count on a good GUI? I do not know if there
<br>is a good GUI in C++. The other solution would
<br>be to implement in Smalltalk or Squeak.
<br>But this leads me far away from the monolithism
<br>searched all these years. But what I know is
<br>that my research shall not stop. So better
<br>if I can implement it in Self.
<br>I could go abroad while the grad students would
<br>continue research in collecting the necessary data
<br>and keep learning about Self too.
<p>The structural system and the architectural system
<br>requires a very powerful and full fledged GUI
<br>interface to be implemented. This is the core
<br>of my knowledge based system.
<p>Thanks for reading this so far, if you are interested further,
<br>go to the web page. <a href="http://www.redwoodsoft.com/cel">http://www.redwoodsoft.com/cel</a>
<p>I would also like to state that I do enjoy this list, and I
<br>appreciated the help from Jecel for his answers on many occasions.
<br>Without his careful explanations, I wouldn't have gotten even
<br>to this point.
Me too. Jecel has been of great help to me. And all the info I collect
<br>in this list are fundamental for the development of my research.
<br>Thanks to God it exists!! Thank you for being, Self community!
<br>** Thank you **
<br>San Mateo, California
<p>P.S. Above, when I said, "In 1998, I became upset with the current state
<br>of computing." I meant, In 1998 I finally decided to do something about
<br>the state of computer technology that has plagued us for the last 15?
<br>years, as a fun, 'what the heck' attempt.</blockquote>
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