[self-interest] Improvement proposals

[Jason Grossman]

Russell, could you just ban trolls, please?

Jason


On 20 Jun 2016, at 18:23, Bystroushaak bystrousak at kitakitsune.org 
[self-interest] wrote:

> Dne 20.6.2016 v 01:27 Russell Allen mail at russell-allen.com
> [self-interest] napsal(a):
>> Argh. It’s morning here and I am under-coffeed.
>>
>> This is a multinational mailing list - so far to my knowledge we’ve 
>> had
>> Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and Germans giving their 
>> input.
>
> There were also Chinese, Russians, Italians and at least two Czech 
> people.
>
>> In a professional and welcoming environment, which Self should be, 
>> the
>> cultural norm is not to talk about contentious and possibly upsetting
>> topics, or to talk in a way which will make people feel excluded. 
>> This
>> includes trying to be aware of other people’s cultural norms as 
>> well as
>> your own.
>
> I fully agree. There is just one problem - you don't know what upsets
> other people until it does.
>
> For example, now I feel upset, that (north) american moral codex was
> forced on my blogpost and violated my author rights and also violated
> spirit of their own First Amendment to the United States Constitution,
> because they felt that twerking Beyonce gif MAY feel unwelcoming to
> female members and using jokes with dancing and whores is tabu, or
> something.
>
> If I take this as a precedent, it means that there will be flame all 
> the
> time when someone else write something (north) americans don't like, 
> or
> think is offending. This also means, that user sections in blog or in
> wiki are impossible, at least without BIG list of rules and 
> explanations
> on what is allowed and what not.
>
>> The precise details of these cultural norms is a fascinating topic 
>> which
>> I encourage people to discuss in depth in a warm and friendly manner 
>> on
>> some other mailing list which I don’t have to read.
>
> I feel like this will require a lot more discussion. For example, you
> take for granted that Self should be „professional and welcoming
> environment“. What does this even mean? What if a teenager comes to
> Self, how can anyone expect him to be professional? What about one
> female we really know was here - Albertina Lourenci. She wasn't
> professional not even a little bit (she was architect or something) 
> and
> her long esoteric posts were actually quite annoying to read.
>
>> Bystroushaak, I know you’re feeling defensive but the simplest way 
>> to
>> get back to talking about Self is if you could just edit the blog 
>> post
>> to remove the gif and reference to dancing girls. If you can’t, 
>> I’m
>> happy to do it for you.
>
> I did it, because I respect you, and because you are the owner of the
> blog, not because I agree. Also it would be nice, if anyone used the
> word „please“ instead of demands in form „I don't like it, you 
> should
> take it down“.