[self-interest] Quiet in Self land?
mayuresh at kathe.in
Tue Sep 16 12:33:43 UTC 2014
i think we should let go of the notion that the "www" is the only
hyperlinking system we should focus on.
i believe the "www" is way over-rated.
using the web is like engaging in amateur sex.
there's lots of loud action,
but very little real pleasure,
so you end up doing more of it.
ps: apologies if i have offended anyones sensibilities.
On 2014-09-16 17:53, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r at gmail.com
> Hey Chris. Yeah, Squeak has that same problem too. The browser that
> was designed to meet the specifications of NCSA Mosaic. But the code
> for these things is virtually useless now.
> The browser, and I'm sure that I'm preaching to the converted here,
> has absolutely eclipsed the complexity of the operating system that it
> really actually needs to run above. Another way of saying this: the
> browser has replaced the operating system.
> I'm going to go even further with this argument. It isn't comfortable
> to talk about and I'm not even comfortable saying it, but: systems
> like Smalltalk and Self were designed above all to be used by people.
> The web browser as we have it today is an amalgamation of poorly
> thought out ideas all jammed together to make something, which in its
> millions of lines of total code (I count dependencies,) still isn't as
> good at its job as Self or Smalltalk are.
> If w e could just magically live in a world where the better ideas
> won, we wouldn't even be here. We're here because we have a head full
> of better ideas than the status quo, and we want to fix the status
> The bitch of it all is: without a way to give users what they actually
> want, (never mind that Facebook is in poor taste) we're basically
> dead. A bunch of academics, lamenting what went wrong with personal
> Actually, my "worst idea ever" could really turn the tides. Build the
> next Google Chrome using Self. Maybe as an accident the computer
> finally gets to be a "bicycle for the mind."
> Of course, this is all absolute crazy-talk:)
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 4:44 AM, "Chris Double chris.double at double.co.nz
> [self-interest]" <self-interest at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> < blockquote type="cite">
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Casey Ransberger
> casey.obrien.r at gmail.com [self-interest]
> <self-interest at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > Haha, but that defeats the entire point. The browser must be
> written in Self. That's how I get to fire my operating system. It
> could be Self, it could be Squeak, but if we ever built a web browser,
> we could seriously run on nearly bare metal and get by.
> There's a somewhat ancient web browser written in Self. See here how
> to load/run it:
> <bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/07/27/displaying-images-with-self.html >
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