[self-interest] Quiet in Self land?

[Mayuresh Kathe]

i think we should let go of the notion that the "www" is the only 
hyperlinking system we should focus on.
i believe the "www" is way over-rated.

using the web is like engaging in amateur sex.
there's lots of loud action,
but very little real pleasure,
so you end up doing more of it.

~mayuresh

ps: apologies if i have offended anyones sensibilities.


On 2014-09-16 17:53, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r at gmail.com 
[self-interest] wrote:
> Hey Chris. Yeah, Squeak has that same problem too. The browser that
> was designed to meet the specifications of NCSA Mosaic. But the code
> for these things is virtually useless now.
> 
> The browser, and I'm sure that I'm preaching to the converted here,
> has absolutely eclipsed the complexity of the operating system that it
> really actually needs to run above. Another way of saying this: the
> browser has replaced the operating system.
> 
> I'm going to go even further with this argument. It isn't comfortable
> to talk about and I'm not even comfortable saying it, but: systems
> like Smalltalk and Self were designed above all to be used by people.
> The web browser as we have it today is an amalgamation of poorly
> thought out ideas all jammed together to make something, which in its
> millions of lines of total code (I count dependencies,) still isn't as
> good at its job as Self or Smalltalk are.
> 
> If w e could just magically live in a world where the better ideas
> won, we wouldn't even be here. We're here because we have a head full
> of better ideas than the status quo, and we want to fix the status
> quo.
> 
> The bitch of it all is: without a way to give users what they actually
> want, (never mind that Facebook is in poor taste) we're basically
> dead. A bunch of academics, lamenting what went wrong with personal
> computing.
> 
> Actually, my "worst idea ever" could really turn the tides. Build the
> next Google Chrome using Self. Maybe as an accident the computer
> finally gets to be a "bicycle for the mind."
> 
> Of course, this is all absolute crazy-talk:)
> 
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 4:44 AM, "Chris Double chris.double at double.co.nz
> [self-interest]" <self-interest at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> < blockquote type="cite">
> 
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Casey Ransberger
>  casey.obrien.r at gmail.com [self-interest]
>  <self-interest at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > Haha, but that defeats the entire point. The browser must be
> written in Self. That's how I get to fire my operating system. It
> could be Self, it could be Squeak, but if we ever built a web browser,
> we could seriously run on nearly bare metal and get by.
> 
>  There's a somewhat ancient web browser written in Self. See here how
>  to load/run it:
> 
>  <bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/07/27/displaying-images-with-self.html [1]>