[self-interest] [Ann][Quack] Self 4.5.0 ("Mallard") released

[Russell Allen]

All the shared screen stuff is still there. The only caveat is that it depends on X11 and never worked on Quartz. The latest OS X doesn't come with X11 and will complain if you try to run binaries expecting to be able to use the X11 libs, so the released OS X binary VM doesn't have X11.

In short:
- you can use screen sharing out of the box on Linux
- you can use it on OS X but need to build a VM with X11.

The better solution will be to factor out the reliance of the sharing mechanism on X11 but no one has done this yet.

Russell


On 14 Jan 2014, at 8:20 am, Randy <randy.smith at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, very cool to have this development, been meaning to check it out but can't get to it yet ... remind me, do we loose the shared screen stuff in this release?
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> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Russell Allen wrote:
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>> 
>> A few things came out of this:
>> 
>> - There is still interest in Self. The blog announcement logged almost 25,000 views in the last 24 hours and stayed on the front page of HN and r/programming for hours
>> - The website needs a refresh with a focus on people outside the community eg getting started material, simple explanations of what Self is
>> - screencasts are good. People found the existing screencasts by Chris Double and others very useful.
>> - a Windows version would be good
>> - Morphic based visual programming is divisive, and will both attract and deter users
>> - People like puns
>> 
>> My favourite comment from Reddit, which we should take to heart:
>> 
>> "Interesting, it looks like some variant of Smalltalk. Hopefully we'll see more innovation in OOP."
>> 
>> Russell
>> 
>> On 13 Jan 2014, at 10:54 pm, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Someone submitted the link to HN, just wanted to point out the discussion thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7047953
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2014/1/13 Chris Double <chris.double at double.co.nz>
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Baltasar <baltasarq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> #vm 'worldBuilder.self' _RunScript
>>> 
>>> If you want to run these scripts, best to do it with cwd set to the
>>> 'objects' subdirectory. So I do:
>>> 
>>> $ cd objects
>>> objects$ ../Self
>>> VM# 'worldBuilder.self' _RunScript
>>> 
>>> I describe something like this at:
>>> 
>>> <http://bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/07/27/building-and-using-self-on-linux.html>
>>> 
>>> Note that the build instructions there are out of date but it should
>>> give you the idea.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Another, completely different issue is how bad the font is seen in Ubuntu. Maybe is just that the system font is too small in the title window, and in the buttons: Get it, Do it and Close. Can that be somehow fixed?
>>> 
>>> Fonts are horrible, I agree. See my attempts at working on this here
>>> to get Xft support:
>>> 
>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/self-interest/conversations/messages/2927>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Finally, in the self page the tutorial in: http://selflanguage.org/_static/tutorial/index.htmlis recommended. The problem is how to start. Nowhere is to be found how to create a new, empty object, so you can start with the balance example.
>>> 
>>> To get an empty object evaluate: (| |)
>>> You can then add parents,etc from the GUI. Or you can also do: (|
>>> parent* = traits clonable |) copy
>>> 
>>> If you do "Get it" vs "Do it" you get the object instance in the hand.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Bernat Romagosa.
>>> 
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