[self-interest] ARM?

Fri Dec 9 17:16:49 UTC 2011

Yes, I agree. Klein is experimental. If you want real Self, port the real VM. 
Great to hear about your interest!

- David (from iPad, typos likely)

On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Russell Allen <mail at russell-allen.com> wrote:

> Hi Thorsten,
> 
> I have been looking at setting up a Self VM project with some seed 
> money as well, on similar lines (ie limited money, hobby, no Dita von 
> Teese)
> 
> My perspective is that moving the VM to ARM is one very nice thing we 
> should do, but there are other smaller initial tasks that would be very 
> useful.
> 
> Klein is fascinating, but a big bang project. The danger is that if we 
> do nothing but Klein then we will have a period where our new VM is yet 
> to come, but our existing VM can't be compiled or used. And if we run 
> out of resources half way through we have nothing.
> 
> If we have a project to clean up the existing VM, this will attract 
> hopefully more interest and use and more resources...
> 
> The existing VM is big and scary, but works and is in a small set of 
> powerful cross platform VMs.
> 
> So although I would love a revamped Klein on Arm, I would also like an 
> upgraded and cleaned up C++ VM on Mac and Linux.
> 
> - Russell
> 
> On 09.12.2011 04:48, Thorsten Dittmar wrote:
> > Thx David,
> >
> > thats really good news.
> >
> > just to make one point crystal clear: Self is unfortunately only a
> > hobby for me, not a business. If I would like to spend an amount of
> > money with 6 digits for a hobby, I would ask Dita von Teese to marry
> > me. So this payment would be more like a compensation for expenses
> > plus some pocket money, so no big business for the third group.
> > anyhow, self is an obsession for most of us and to get payed for an
> > obsession should reduce the compensation for personal suffering a
> > little bit ;-)
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Thorsten Dittmar wrote:
> >
> >> Hello folks,
> >>
> >> I had a short private discussion with Gordon about that topic.
> >> Specially about the topic if it makes sense to port self as it is
> > to
> >> ARM or if it would be better to get Klein up and running. Of
> > course,
> >> it would be funny to have self on a table or so, but from my point
> >> of view this would cause a lot of changes across the complete
> > system
> >> and we would spend a lot of time with C++ code.
> >>
> >> I would be willing to finance the Klein implementation… of
> >> course, it depends on the price and the quality.
> >>
> >> Is guess we will need three kind of people
> >>
> >> first group:
> >> the folks with the money. I'm the first one. I would be happy if
> >> somebody else will join
> >>
> >> second group:
> >> the quality guards. I have an allergy against C++, so I can not
> >> really evaluate the code… ok ok, it is not really an allergy, I'm
> >> just to stupid to it
> >> I would sleep much better, if some of the old hands would take over
> >> this part.
> >>
> >> third group:
> >> the code junkies
> >>
> >> So, I made the first step by entering the first group. Is somebody
> >> will to accede my or one of the other groups?
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> thorsten
> >>
> >> (btw: I can pay in Euros or Dollars ;-)
> >>
> >> On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Gordon Cichon wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'd be willing to do it. My name is Gordon, and I started the
> >>> first x86 port of the Self VM. (before that, Self was considered
> >> a
> >>> Sparc-only system). I've also hardware experience with ARM
> >>> architecture. For reference, please ask David Ungar.
> >>>
> >>> Gordon
> >>> http://www.self-support.com/ [5]
> >>>
> >>> On 12/06/2011 11:56 AM, C wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A prerequisite to finding funding is finding someone who is
> >>>> qualified and willing to work on the VM. If you know of anyone
> >>>> I'd be interested in talking to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Russell
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/12/2011, at 8:30 PM, Gordon Cichon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is there a possibility to obtain any funding for this
> >>>>> project? Maybe setting it up as a research project?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Gordon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/06/2011 04:21 AM, ungar at mac.com [3] wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yup. It would take a really clever guy!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - David
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Double wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jeremiah S. Junken wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > has anyone successfully run Self 4.x on an ARM
> >>>>>>> architecture?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no ARM compiler backend and Self does not have
> >>>>>>> an interpreter
> >>>>>>> so it'd be a fair amount of effort to get it working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz [2]
> >
> > 
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