Selfish Worlds (Was: Re: [self-interest] Kansas and Tcl)

[Albertina Lourenci]

Stefan Urbanek wrote:
Hi Stef!

> Albertina,
>
> On 2004-03-06 10:57:42 +0100 Albertina Lourenci <lourenci at lsi.usp.br> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Stefan Urbanek wrote:
> > Dear Stefan!
> > See below!
> >
> >> On 2004-03-05 22:06:07 +0100 Jecel Assumpcao Jr <jecel at merlintec.com> wrote:
> >>
>
> <snip>
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> >>
> >> The advantage is, as I have mentioned before, the different computational
> >> model and well tested, fast runtime. Those are features that no other (or
> >> very few) scripting languages/environments offer. This moves Self to
> >> another, higher level, where one can use it not only for small pieces of
> >> code. One can use it for larger (user customisable) parts of an
> >> application. There are lots problems that can be solved in Self much more
> >> easier than in C/C++/ObjectiveC.
> >
> > I believe nobody has doubts about Self's power of expressiveness.
> >
>
> Well ... nobody here has doubts. You know about the power, people on this list know, I do and perhaps very-very few others, but that is all. In fact, Self does not exists. I'll move a bit offtopic, but ... if current developers of self will retire, Self will retire with them. And that would be pity.
> Sure! When they die the world will not be better and they will die without memory! I am running the same risk with my modeling

to design and plan sustainable cities.
Many interesting applications will stop because computer science is still crawling!

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> >>
> >>
> >> How I see it? Application using one or more Self environments. Ok, now I
> >> let my imagination go... What about stadard application as a frontend to a
> >> distributed self environments on different machines?
> >
> > This sounds great. Distributed Self environments on different machines as the
> > basis of a collaborative architecture. Something
> > like OpenCroquet (Alan Kay and so on) intends to offer to develop
> > applications written in Squeak?:-)!
> >
>
> Yes, and it is not too difficult to create something with OpenCroquet idea.

Here where  I am Internet 2 is already a reality. Hence we could run
OpenCroquet when there will be a working version available and
work collaboratively with researchers in American universities.

> Different from Squeak implementation there is one, perhaps not very nice analogy:
>
> There is: WWW (passive) worlds +  web browser
> There can be: Self (active) worlds + not-yet-written user (non-self) interface application.
> Something like OpenCroquet in (SelfCroquet :-)!) sounds wonderful!

>
> If environment-native application (with environment-native visualising graphical tools) was used as an entrance or window to Self worlds, then it can be easily adaptable for potential users. And I think that it would be much more easier to introduce native app than to introduce something totally new.
>
> Just imagine what everything can be done with those "living selfish worlds"... :-)
> It is up to us  that tune to "living selfish worlds" to accomplish them :-)!

Ciao
Albertina
http://www.lsi.usp.br/~lourenci

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> Stefan Urbanek
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