[self-interest] Digest Number 278

Tue Jul 23 13:56:00 UTC 2002

I just want a book that explains the concept and contrasts prototypes 
against classes. A tutorial on how to start programming with 
prototypes when you know classes. Hands-on...
Regards,
Douglas

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> Assunto : [self-interest] Digest Number 278
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>       1. Re: Book on programming with prototypes?
>            From: Thorsten Dittmar <thorsten.dittmar at daedalos.com>
>       2. the eternity of change!
>            From: Albertina Lourenci <lourenci at lsi.usp.br>
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>    From: Thorsten Dittmar <thorsten.dittmar at daedalos.com>
> Subject: Re: Book on programming with prototypes?
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> I know some books, that compare different prototype programming lang
uages.
> Can you specify a little bit more in detailed what you are looking f
or?
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> On 7/9/02 7:42 PM, "d_atique" <datique at terra.com.br> wrote:
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> > Hi, all.
> > I've been away from this list and maybe this was already discussed
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> > but I'll ask it anyway. Was any book ever published on prototype
> > programmimg? I mean with a programming/design methodology focus (n
o
> > philosophical books, please...).
> > BTW, I've heard Self 4.1 is evolving and supports MacOS X. I'm gla
d
> > to know that.
> > Regards,
> > Douglas
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>    Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:50:36 -0300
>    From: Albertina Lourenci <lourenci at lsi.usp.br>
> Subject: the eternity of change!
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> Thorsten Dittmar wrote:
> Dear:
> 
> > I know some books, that compare different prototype programming la
nguages.
> > Can you specify a little bit more in detailed what you are looking
 for?
> >
> > On 7/9/02 7:42 PM, "d_atique" <datique at terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, all.
> > > I've been away from this list and maybe this was already discuss
ed,
> > > but I'll ask it anyway. Was any book ever published on prototype
> > > programmimg? I mean with a programming/design methodology focus 
(no
> > > philosophical books, please...).
> 
> May I ask what is wrong with philosophical trends? The current crisi
s
> in object oriented programming is lack of philosophical knowledge!
> What sort of philosophical knowledge?
> At the beginning of the last century, a strong modern movement in ar
t
> happened. In music, for example the dodecaphonist Schoenberg advised
:
> Let the pupil learn the laws and effects of tonality just as if they
 still
> prevailed, but let him know of the tendencies  that are leading towa
rd
> their annulment. Let him know that the conditions leading to the dis
solution
> of the system are inherent in the conditions upon which it is establ
ished.
> Let him know that every livng thing has within it that which changes
, develops,
> and destroys it. Life and death are both equally present in the embr
yo. What lies
> between is time. Nothing intrinsic, that is: merely a dimension, whi
ch is, however
> necessarily consumated. Let the pupil learn by this example to recog
nize what is
> eternal: change and what is temporal: being (das Bestehen). Thus he 
will come to
> the conclusion that much of what has been considered aesthetically f
undamental,
> that is, necessary to beauty, is by no means always rooted in the na
ture of
> things,  that the imperfection of our senses drives us to those comp
romises through
> which we achieve order. For order is not demanded by the object, but
 by the
> subject!!!Schoenberg, A. Theory of Harmony page 29!
> Applying this to computer science: Doesn't  the introduction of subj
ect oriented
> programming exactly reproduce the behaviour described by Schoenberg?
> The precise paper from Roger T. Alexander and Jim Bieman entitled Ch
allenges of
> Aspect oriented technology presented at the 2002 ICSE Workshop in So
ftware
> Quality held in May Orlando Florida  deconstructs this subjectivism 
beautifully
> and brings to the fore the essence of the thing!
> Who cares about this? By the negative mood of the paper even Roger a
nd Jim
> don't!
> However semioticians, the experts in modeling care (among others cal
led artists)
> And exactly my paper presented at rOOts  April 2002 Bergen tells us 
how
> to deal with the essence of meaning! What's the problem here?
> http://www.lsi.usp.br/~lourenci
> It begins with
> the foundations of things specific to the domain model -
 here sustainable
> cities -
 how to generate them from the first cell, I mean the building?
> And of course nobody cares about this, because everybody is homeless
 and lives
> ón the streets ( I am being cynical!!) Sorry, only half of the popul
ation is
> homeless!
> And those don't have access to schools!
Hence the whole mankind has to put up
> with the subjectivism of those who have homes!!!
And don't care if their own children
> 
> soon will not have homes!!!
> 
> But anyhow incredibly another paper was published at last ECOOP'02 h
eld in
> Malaga. Design patterns as signs from James Noble and Robert Biddle!
> Wonderful now we can contrast papers interested in prototypes and as
pects
> something like the subjective version from SElf called Us and class-
based
> languages and patterns! AS soon as I read it, I hope we can start a 
discussion!
> ANyhow I want to congratulate Roger and Jim for their courage to dec
onstruct
> what can be better and now I hope they pluck up courage to do better
 programming
> artifacts!
> Best wishes
> Albertina
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> > > Regards,
> > > Douglas
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