[self-interest] New Mailing-List self at cichon.com
Jecel Assumpcao Jr
jecel at merlintec.com
Wed Jan 16 18:52:09 UTC 2002
Thanks for all the feedback so far.
Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
> I'd prefer to stay with the yahoo list, not only because of the
> archive but also because I can read the stuff via the web. I'm
> running some yahoo lists for my own and never had problems. The ads
> are annoying but IMHO the other points outweight them.
If everybody moved to Gordon's list and I converted the Yahoo list to a
remote one, we would still have most of the current advantages.
J. Baltasar García Perez-Schofield wrote:
> Shouldn't we all agree to move to the new list ?
The worst thing would be to split this group in half. On the other hand:
John Hinsley wrote:
> Potentially splitting the community for the sake of busting a tiny nut
> seems _way_ OTT to me unless you, that is, "gordontemp0815" can come
> up with a bidirectional script which works (and implement it ;-)
Right, if the two lists could be linked then people would have a choice
and it would still be just one group. The problem with Yahoo is that we
have little control over it and I don't think that Gordon could do a
bidirectional link entirely on his side. There would have to be some
amount of custom header mangling to both break mail loops and bypass
the "only members can post" restrictions. It is a lot harder than I
first thought.
Albertina Lourenci wrote:
> [stuff deleted by Yahoo]
It is very ironic that Albertina had her text, that included "I myself
stayed several months without receiving messages from the list these
things should be mended!!!" eliminated by Yahoo from the email version
(the web version is ok). The problem is her VCard attachment and
probably some bug at Yahoo.
A brief history of this list might be interesting:
The list was created at Stanford in July of 1990. I think the list was
managed by Craig Chambers, though other people probably helped and
might have taken over later on.
Around April of 1995 some problems took the list off the air, but Mario
Wolczko was able to bring it back from the dead on a Sun machine at the
end of August even though the Self projects had just officially ended.
In June of 1997 the list once again stopped working. After a few months
it became obvious that the problem was a permanent one, so in 1998 I
began to look for a way to start a new list. I did some experiments
with qmail, which had recently been installed at LSI USP, but there
were lots of little limitations and having to deal with the LSI system
administrators for every problem was going to be a major bottleneck. So
I looked at several remote list hosting alternatives and picked eGroups
as the most promising. This list was created in October of 1997.
I wrote a program in Self (Perl is for wimps ;-) to extract a
reasonably clean list of emails of people who had posted to the old
list and sent them an invitation (my one and only "spam") to subscribe
to the new list. Web based subscription turned out to be more awkward
than I had hoped and gave some people a lot of trouble. eGroups had an
offer to take the contents of previously lists and add them to the
archive for newly created lists, so I packaged the Stanford/Sun list as
they requested and sent it to them. Unfortunately, I never heard from
them about this.
Things went reasonably smoothly (including eliminating the annoying
"bounced mail" problem of the previous lists) until early last year
when eGroups was bought by Yahoo. Lots of people has problems and
between timeouts, bad cookies and other nasty things it was a wonder I
ever did get my eGroups identity moved to Yahoo. Albertina didn't
receive mail from the list for many months, though I could find nothing
wrong with her account. Gordon was mysteriously unsubscribed and seems
to be having other problems while the Sun people can't post with their
new "Eng-less" addresses. It is likely that other people have been
having problems and didn't complain (or don't even know about them: if
you don't receive mail you might just assume the list is quiet).
On the other hand, while Majordomo is better than the qmail list
manager I experimented with, it has its share of problems too.
I hope this provides a context in which we can decide what is the best
way to move forward.
-- Jecel
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