[self-interest] languages

Albertina Lourenci lourenci at lsi.usp.br
Mon Jan 8 18:07:58 UTC 2001

Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Jan 2001, J Osako wrote:
> > At 15:54 01/07/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Interesting. After the last rebuke, I came to the opposite conclusion -
> > >that this list, being specifically about Self, should be primarily about
> > >Self. It also occured to me that there might be a need for a general
> > >discussion group on 'new' languages, Self-like or not. To this end, I have
> > >created a new eGroups list, MFTL.
> >
> > In accordance with The Law of the Prophet Murphy, it was only after I set
> > up MFTL that I learned that there already is an eGroups list for this sort
> > of thing, called Language-Wars. Damn.
> What does MFTL mean? Are you going to continue with this group or use
> Language-Wars instead?
> I agree that this shouldn't become a general language discussion list,
> but while the traffic is still low I see no problems with some
> information on Self-like languages being posted here. If someone feels
> differently, please say so.

Well, what I really think is that computer science is rather looking like
a Babel Tower. When I joined  the Workshop of the PHD students
in OO programming at ECOOP'97, my colleagues were already
feeling this phenomenon..Their proposal or at least of some
 there was that we should restrict the proliferation of new languages.
No more languages...Of course I found and find this proposal

However reading papers about reflection right now, I start feeling
things are like Babel Tower. To read a single paper I have to know
all about all types of patterns (architectural, design and so on)
all about reflection(!!!), distributed systems, OO, media space
and so on...Finally after a great effort I  am managing to understand
what this intriguing paper is about. And of course I still do not
know which language will be used for implementation....

Maybe there should be a list to try to integrate all these
different computational trends.
For example suddenly I discovered that a user interface is
a virtual machine!!!!That the user can program the set of
instructions of programmable processors and so on ...

I do not go crazy because I am an architect and at least
for the moment although I am dependent thoroughly on
computer science, the integration of my knowledge based
system can be accomplished at a design level before
proceeding to implementation.
ANyhow all this is very frustrating. I would appreciate
more integrative approaches in computer science.


> Of course, I hope the Self specific traffic won't be low forever...
> -- Jecel

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