Hi, I just uploaded version 0.2.1 to http://www.gliebe.de/self . This release fixes some bugs and allows to run Self on a display with 16 bit color depth.
Best regards,
Harald Gliebe
Harald Gliebe wrote:
Hi Selfers:
This sounds as great news!!!From the e-mails I have been reading it seems that the version for Mac does not work well! How can I be sure that the Selfversion for Linux work as well as the one for Sun?
My Scientific Report is ready. It is about 3,5 Mbytes. I show it is necessary a multi-paradigm design to make programming languages really expressive.
As multi-paradigm design I imply the inclusion of reflective architecture as well as aspect oriented programming in Self and separation of concerns. Of course I believe that delegation and Kansas are great achievements that should be maintained!!!
Greg Kiczales, the founder of aspect-oriented programming and a pioner of reflective architecture finds my undertaking interesting.
However of course really revolutionary innovations nobody has time to pay time!~It is easier to deal with Aspect J Aspect C and so on....
Anyhow I have been delving deeper into semiotics. This time I am analysing the work by the semiotician Algirdas Julien Greimas. What's new about him?
However to situate semiology (now semiotics) within linguistics, as BArthes and Greimas do, requires the use of the terminology of linguistics to explore the larger semiological phenomena: it requires what Greimas calls the transposition of the methodological procedures of the plane of the signifier
to that of the signified. For example: to the smallest unit of signification called a pheme there is a corresponding one in meaning called a seme!! A phoneme is a sum of phemes = a syllable and a collection of semes is a lexeme = a word or a sign!
This is precisely Greimas's semiotic project, the theoretical mediation between narrative forms and linguistic forms of sentential dimensions what he calls an attempt to shed a little light upon the relations which can exist between discourse and the sentence, between discursive linguistics and sentential linguistics.
For this reason Greimas defines semiotics in terms of actants, actantial roles and the structure of the narrative functions of discourse in the terms
of linguistic analysis.
Well I believe it is well known separation of concerns approach looks for entities smaller than the class or the object to model reality such as layers and views (although layers and views can also be entities bigger than classes and objects!!!)
Yet component based languages are also of research interest exactly to model entities greater than the class and the objects. Currently design patterns are the best entitites to do so.
What is interesting in Greimas's semiotics is that he deals with the whole range of granularity of entities that make up sentences and discourse. He says:
actants + predicats = messages
It seems to me that multi-agent systems were intended to be actantial models (based on the subject) and functional models and qualificative (predicats) models fall into the category of OO programming mainly concerned with action and behavior.
I have not concluded anything yet but those interested can e-mail me to start reading my Scientific Report and help me to think.
I am trying to bombard the wrong reasoning in both multi-agent reasoning and in class-based reasoning. Of course because computer scientists do not know semiotics. It is impossible to model without semiotics. However Self is the sort of language that grasps the semiotic reasoning hence a candidate to be part of a truly scientific project curiously based on the hermeneutic reasoning. Or a reasoning that grasps how the world really is when Self extends to include entities smaller than the object and bigger ones!!!
A Happy 2002 for all Selfers!
Albertina
Hi, I just uploaded version 0.2.1 to http://www.gliebe.de/self . This release fixes some bugs and allows to run Self on a display with 16 bit color depth.
Best regards,
Harald Gliebe
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Albertina Lourenci wrote:
Hi Selfers: This sounds as great news!!!From the e-mails I have been reading it seems that the version for Mac does not work well! How can I be sure that the Selfversion for Linux work as well as the one for Sun?
It certainly doesn't, at least at the moment. Sorry to disappoint you. It's an alpha version and not yet very stable. Also the SIC (the optimizing compiler) and dynamic recompilation that are mainly responsible for the good performance of the Sparc version, are still missing.
Best regards, Harald
Harald Gliebe wrote: Dear Harald:
To build sustainable cities I do need to advance software first. I am trying to start a thematic project with the professors from the Electrical Engineering Departments from Polytechnic School University of São Paulo in January. Of course we can invite international researchers to join our research group. Would you be interested in joining a joint project to accomplish this goal? I am an architect. I cannot be responsible for compilers. I can only help with the design of an architecture and also the programming language. But not with implementation matters.
The possible chairs of the thematic project asked me to make the proposal between January 20 and 25 and tell them all the people interested in working in the project.I have already contacted about ten professors here. I think all we need in terms of computing, is a researcher with clear goals and able to organize graduate and post-doctorate researchers to reach these goals. I am only interested in the Self language to implement my ecodesign model, because its design tunes with Self.
Thanks for your prompt reply. Best wishes Albertina
Albertina Lourenci wrote:
Hi Selfers: This sounds as great news!!!From the e-mails I have been reading it seems that the version for Mac does not work well! How can I be sure that the Selfversion for Linux work as well as the one for Sun?
It certainly doesn't, at least at the moment. Sorry to disappoint you. It's an alpha version and not yet very stable. Also the SIC (the optimizing compiler) and dynamic recompilation that are mainly responsible for the good performance of the Sparc version, are still missing.
Best regards, Harald
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Harald Gliebe wrote: Dear Harald:
To build sustainable cities I do need to advance software first. I am trying to start a thematic project with the professors from the Electrical Engineering Departments from Polytechnic School University of São Paulo in January. Of course we can invite international researchers to join our research group. Would you be interested in joining a joint project to accomplish this goal? I am an architect. I cannot be responsible for compilers. I can only help with the design of an architecture and also the programming language. But not with implementation matters.
The possible chairs of the thematic project asked me to make the proposal between January 20 and 25 and tell them all the people interested in working in the project.I have already contacted about ten professors here. I think all we need in terms of computing, is a researcher with clear goals and able to organize graduate and post-doctorate researchers to reach these goals. I am only interested in the Self language to implement my ecodesign model, because its design tunes with Self.
Thanks for your prompt reply. Best wishes Albertina
Albertina Lourenci wrote:
Hi Selfers: This sounds as great news!!!From the e-mails I have been reading it seems that the version for Mac does not work well! How can I be sure that the Selfversion for Linux work as well as the one for Sun?
It certainly doesn't, at least at the moment. Sorry to disappoint you. It's an alpha version and not yet very stable. Also the SIC (the optimizing compiler) and dynamic recompilation that are mainly responsible for the good performance of the Sparc version, are still missing.
Best regards, Harald
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Hi Harald,
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zur Portierung. Die Firma Daedalos hat mich letztes Jahr beauftragt (und bezahlt), ebenfalls die Portierung durchzuführen. Ich habe aber nicht wie Gordon auf der Sparc aufgesetzt, sondern auf dem PPC und habe die Frame-Struktur komplett neu konzipiert. Ich konnte bereits das smallUI2.self-Script erfolgreich einlesen, doch dann startet der Garbage-Collector und stürzt ab. Ursprünglich wollte ich über Weihnachten mich mit Gordon zusammensetzen und den Fehler finden, und da kam die Nachricht Deiner erfolgreichen Portierung. Die Firma Daedalos bat mich nun, Dir meine Arbeit zu schicken - vielleicht kannst Du ja damit was anfangen.
Ich würde mich freuen von Dir zu hören.
(Bei der Installation solltest Du vorher das Readme-File lesen)
Ciao
Maximilian Thiel
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Maximilian,
it would be great to integrate your frame design with Harold's port. I thought Gordon's second version was based on the PPC rather than the Sparc, but didn't really look into it.
-- Jecel
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Albertina Lourenci wrote:
Anyhow I have been delving deeper into semiotics. This time I am analysing the work by the semiotician Algirdas Julien Greimas. What's new about him?
Umberto Eco refers frequently to Greimas in his works on semiotics, as I remember. You might want to look into him too.
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Ed Heil wrote:
Sorry Ed: There is nothing written here and the attachment lourenci.vcf does not open!! Best wishes Albertina
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