Hi all
I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in. I have a *very* early demo up at:
If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.
This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)
Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.
The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.
There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.
Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.
:) Russell
Hi again,
So in the last month I’ve made a few background changes to the code for trying Self online to improve robustness. Hopefully it is more likely to work if you try it!
I’ve also added a new feature, which is allowing multiple users to access the running Self world.
This functionality was already in the standard Self image (though buried in the MacOS version), I’ve just made it more visible and integrated it with the OurSelf.io http://ourself.io/ stack.
To try it out, start a trial Self world, and open the desktop for it in your browser.
Then do the following:
(users userNamed: ‘Guest’) password: ’secret’. “ <- must be 8 chars or less “
Then from the main menu, choose ‘Give user access…’, choose ‘Guest’ from the users list.
You should get a URL, which you can put into a separate browser window.
There should now be two views onto your Self world. Each view can move around, and has full access to everything.
I’ve now been developing this through the browser window for a bit (rather than doing it locally and uploading the snapshots). It isn’t as fast as a local Self, especially in terms of latency, but it is quite usable and the ability to just stop what I’m doing, close the browser window and then restart my work just by going to a webpage on other computer is quite nice.
Anyway, I’m keeping on working on this so if any of you manage to get it working and give feedback that would be cool
Cheers! Russell
On 29 Jun 2019, at 11:39 am, Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi all
I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in. I have a *very* early demo up at:
https://ourself.io https://ourself.io/
If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.
This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)
Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.
The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.
There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.
Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.
:) Russell
Wow! This is really nice. Worked first time (macOS / Safari).
Stephen
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:50 AM Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi again,
So in the last month I’ve made a few background changes to the code for trying Self online to improve robustness. Hopefully it is more likely to work if you try it!
I’ve also added a new feature, which is allowing multiple users to access the running Self world.
This functionality was already in the standard Self image (though buried in the MacOS version), I’ve just made it more visible and integrated it with the OurSelf.io stack.
To try it out, start a trial Self world, and open the desktop for it in your browser.
Then do the following:
(users userNamed: ‘Guest’) password: ’secret’.. “ <- must be 8 chars or less “
Then from the main menu, choose ‘Give user access…’, choose ‘Guest’ from the users list.
You should get a URL, which you can put into a separate browser window.
There should now be two views onto your Self world. Each view can move around, and has full access to everything.
I’ve now been developing this through the browser window for a bit (rather than doing it locally and uploading the snapshots). It isn’t as fast as a local Self, especially in terms of latency, but it is quite usable and the ability to just stop what I’m doing, close the browser window and then restart my work just by going to a webpage on other computer is quite nice.
Anyway, I’m keeping on working on this so if any of you manage to get it working and give feedback that would be cool
Cheers! Russell
On 29 Jun 2019, at 11:39 am, Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi all
I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in. I have a *very* early demo up at:
If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.
This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)
Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.
The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.
There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.
Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.
:) Russell
Glad it worked!
I know from the logs that not everyone is being so lucky.
There is a persistent bug which is causing the process which is responsible for killing off expired sessions to crash. This then means that the poor little server quickly fills up with sessions.
I’m trying to find what’s happening but don’t understand it yet. When I’ve succeeded I’ll let everyone know…
Russell
On 4 Aug 2019, at 10:56 pm, Stephen De Gabrielle spdegabrielle@gmail.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Wow! This is really nice. Worked first time (macOS / Safari).
Stephen
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:50 AM Russell Allen mail@russell-allen..com mailto:mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] <self-interest@yahoogroups.com mailto:self-interest@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi again,
So in the last month I’ve made a few background changes to the code for trying Self online to improve robustness. Hopefully it is more likely to work if you try it!
I’ve also added a new feature, which is allowing multiple users to access the running Self world.
This functionality was already in the standard Self image (though buried in the MacOS version), I’ve just made it more visible and integrated it with the OurSelf.io http://ourself.io/ stack.
To try it out, start a trial Self world, and open the desktop for it in your browser.
Then do the following:
(users userNamed: ‘Guest’) password: ’secret’.. “ <- must be 8 chars or less “
Then from the main menu, choose ‘Give user access…’, choose ‘Guest’ from the users list.
You should get a URL, which you can put into a separate browser window.
There should now be two views onto your Self world. Each view can move around, and has full access to everything.
I’ve now been developing this through the browser window for a bit (rather than doing it locally and uploading the snapshots). It isn’t as fast as a local Self, especially in terms of latency, but it is quite usable and the ability to just stop what I’m doing, close the browser window and then restart my work just by going to a webpage on other computer is quite nice.
Anyway, I’m keeping on working on this so if any of you manage to get it working and give feedback that would be cool
Cheers! Russell
On 29 Jun 2019, at 11:39 am, Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com mailto:mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] <self-interest@yahoogroups.com mailto:self-interest@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all
I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in. I have a *very* early demo up at:
https://ourself.io https://ourself.io/
If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.
This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)
Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.
The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.
There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.
Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.
:) Russell
It was time to get up Sunday morning, so I rolled over and reached for my iPhone ... remembered your message, so tapped the link, and after signing in, lo and behold there was my radar view thing amongst a bunch of other objects, right there on my iPhone screen! I dragged it around some, and burst out laughing.
One can laugh for many reasons, but this was laughter of surprise and delight! Thank you.
I had to go make breakfast, so that's all the farther I got.
--Randy
On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Glad it worked!
I know from the logs that not everyone is being so lucky.
There is a persistent bug which is causing the process which is responsible for killing off expired sessions to crash. This then means that the poor little server quickly fills up with sessions.
I’m trying to find what’s happening but don’t understand it yet. When I’ve succeeded I’ll let everyone know…
Russell
On 4 Aug 2019, at 10:56 pm, Stephen De Gabrielle spdegabrielle@gmail.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Wow! This is really nice. Worked first time (macOS / Safari).
Stephen
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:50 AM Russell Allen mail@russell-allen..com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi again,
So in the last month I’ve made a few background changes to the code for trying Self online to improve robustness. Hopefully it is more likely to work if you try it!
I’ve also added a new feature, which is allowing multiple users to access the running Self world.
This functionality was already in the standard Self image (though buried in the MacOS version), I’ve just made it more visible and integrated it with the OurSelf.io stack.
To try it out, start a trial Self world, and open the desktop for it in your browser.
Then do the following:
(users userNamed: ‘Guest’) password: ’secret’.. “ <- must be 8 chars or less “
Then from the main menu, choose ‘Give user access…’, choose ‘Guest’ from the users list.
You should get a URL, which you can put into a separate browser window.
There should now be two views onto your Self world. Each view can move around, and has full access to everything.
I’ve now been developing this through the browser window for a bit (rather than doing it locally and uploading the snapshots). It isn’t as fast as a local Self, especially in terms of latency, but it is quite usable and the ability to just stop what I’m doing, close the browser window and then restart my work just by going to a webpage on other computer is quite nice.
Anyway, I’m keeping on working on this so if any of you manage to get it working and give feedback that would be cool
Cheers! Russell
On 29 Jun 2019, at 11:39 am, Russell Allen mail@russell-allen.com [self-interest] self-interest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi all
I’ve being playing with setting up a online sandbox to play with Self in. I have a *very* early demo up at:
If you go there, you can click the button and wait. If you’re lucky, you will get to a page which gives you a link to a running morphic desktop and a Self console. It should last about 20 minutes or so, and won’t save any changes.
This is held together with blutack and gaffer tape so will probably break :)
Also there are only a few slots for running Self worlds on the small DigitalOcean account this is running on, so capacity will be reached quickly.
The technology stack is: A FreeBSD host on ZFS, running Nginx as a proxy. Each Self is in a FreeBSD jail, with its own X libs. The Self desktop is sent to your browser as follows: Self->X11->Xvnc->Websocket->NoVNC->Browser.
There’s very little of my own code in this. Everything is nicely boring.
Anyway, if you do get it running I’d love to get any feedback.
:) Russell
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