I was talking about the dev environment for Klein on an arm not because I wanted everybody to drop everything and get a beagle board, that would probably hit the wall pretty fast.
It was merely to get some ideas and discussion.
I gathered some friends, they are not that interested in self (one can't blame them, they are either total c freaks or the java generation...hope that will change :)),
but they started to drool when I told them about a free beagleboard in exchange for some thoughts on compiler development.
Maybe they will catch the bait and I can collect a small Klein team over here :D
So don't worry about it any longer, just wait :)

Cheers Jan

On Dec 28, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Russell Allen wrote:


To be honest, I don't think Klein makes sense at this time.  It's too experimental and there's too much new work needed to be done on it.
I totally agree on that :)

Porting the existing C++ VM to Windows and also ARM is a straight forward exercise treading an already travelled path: the VM has already moved from Solaris->Mac OS X->Linux and Sparc->PPC->x86

All that is needed is someone with time and suitable C++ skills.  (Btw, if there is anyone qualified and interested in the task it might even be possible for some resources to be found to help fund it.)

I would love to do that, but I don't have any c++ skills and don't plan to get them :D
- Russell

On 28/12/2010, at 4:20 PM, Josh Flowers wrote:


I'd love to have Self on a touch device, but I don't think it makes sense as a community focus (yet).

Totally agree on that too.

Seems to me that we're in the early stages of one of those resource management games - where you need to focus on getting the stuff that lets you build other stuff. In our case that means getting more active developers so we can work on a broader range of features.

The obvious move is a windows port, in which case Klein and maybe an OpenGL/GLUT layer make sense (assuming I fully understand what Klein brings to the party). Any other thoughts?

>> The other thing is, maybe we should pick a device and make it the main supported platform for self.
>> I was thinking about something like this
>> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm
> It might be good to focus on one platform, but I don't think it should be a touchpad. Self would have to change a LOT to be useable without a mouse. See http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/07/ballmer-and-microsoft-still-doesnt-get-the-ipad.ars for some examples of how an environment has to be designed for touch interaction. This is something Apple's been able to (and had to) put a bazillion person-hours into for the iPad OS.
> Jason
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