Self-interest June 1996

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Re: smallui2
by Thierry Goubier 06 Jun '96

06 Jun '96

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Andrei Tcherepanov wrote: > Thierry, > > I cannot find it on self ftp, so please put it in "tar.gz" format > (if possible) on your site ( please send me URL ) you can find it on ftp://self.smli.com/mario/self/Snapshot.smallUI2.gz (sorry to have looked inside mario's part of the ftp server) But you need the Self 4.0 executable first. > PS. What is Mango ? A parser generator : takes a grammar and produce a Self object to parse the language. Supposed to be a nice, efficient one. Thierry. P.S. : For the rest of the list... could anybody remove all thoses unusables adresses which pop ups days after the send with a subject "Unknown Address" or the like ? I can give a list of theses addresses (I collect all undelivered mail on my messages). ___________________Thierry.Goubier(a)enst-bretagne.fr__________________ Je ne suis pas un patriote car je n'ai pas peur de l'etranger I'm not a patriot because I don't fear foreigners http://www-info.enst-bretagne.fr/~goubier/

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is there available Papers in A4 ?
by Andrei Tcherepanov 06 Jun '96

06 Jun '96

Hi All! I have HP LaserJet 4M and have not Letter tray => I cannot print Self-* papers on this printer. Is Self-*.ps papers available perpared for A4 ? Or in another format, from what I can choose paper size? Where I can get it ? Thanks, Andrei PS. With multipurpose tray this not work also ... ;-(

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Re: is there available Papers in A4 ?
by Paul Dourish 06 Jun '96

06 Jun '96

> I have HP LaserJet 4M and have not Letter tray => I cannot > print Self-* papers on this printer. > Is Self-*.ps papers available perpared for A4 ? I've cc'ed this to self-interest, since it's something of a FAQ in general. There are multiple ways to get Frame files to print correctly on HP printers on different paper sizes. If the file is generated by Frame v5, then the first Postscript variable defined after the comment header will be FMAllowPaperSizeMismatch. By default, this is set to false; you can just change it to be true. For documents produced by Frame v4, then you can use this sed command: sed -e '654,658s/^/%/' -e '663s/^/pop %/' to process the file. This is a kinda hacky solution, but it works. For documents produced by Frame 3 or earlier, I don't believe there's a problem; if there is, it's quite possible that the sed hack will work. -- Paul.

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Re: Solaris 2.5 x86?
by David.Ungar＠Eng.Sun.COM 04 Jun '96

04 Jun '96

20Meg? We run with 8 and 10 frequently. What computer are you using? At 11:53 AM 6/3/96, Thierry Goubier wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote: > >> > Hum, did you gave up for tinySelf ? >> >> No, I am still working on it. It is taking me more >> than the few days I promised on my web page, but >> it is comming. > >That's good news ! > >> > J.C. Mincke seems to be on the right >> > way for his implementation. VCODE seems to be the right tool to attempt >> > this implementation, but the x86 version is not yet ready. >> >> That's great! The more implementations there are of >> the language, the stronger it is (as long as they can >> run the same programs). > >This is a hard question. Will the implementation runs the same programs ? >I don't think so, unless those programs don't use certain features (like >the UI, for example). > >I'm not particularly found of morphs :-) and the self world is really >slow to run, unless you allocate 20 MB to the code cache... There's also >some problems with the metaphor used. Is it the response time, or is it >the lack of scrollbars, but I think the display of large collections (or >arrays) in an outliner is particularly annoying. > >> > But the result won't be like Self 4.0. >> >> Which is why I said that a port of Self 4.0 to other machines >> would be very interesting even if we have other implementations >> on these machines. > >It may be used as a comparison for theses "other" implementations; I >don't think that anybody will manage the quality of the Self 4.0 >implementation anytime soon. > >A goal would be, anyway, to share enough common ground to run most >programs through a rebuilding of the Self part of the image. > >By the way, what is the position of the Self group (or owners) about the >reuse of the Self 4.0 source ? Not the VM source, but the Self one ? Can >we use it to accelerate the development of others implementations ? > >> > I believe that very few Linux >> > machines will have enough memory to run a direct port of Self 4.0. (I >> > can't even find a Sparc usable for it :-() >> >> True, but you can get 32MB of RAM for 600 dollars in Brazil - >> I imagine it is even cheaper in other places. That is a lot, >> but you can easily pay more than that for a C++ compiler. If >> you just want to try Self out to see what it is like, then >> this isn't practical. But for serious use I think a Linux >> port would be great. >> >> -- Jecel > >Hum, to get a truly efficient Self 4.0, 64 MB isn't enough on a Sparc 20 >biprocessor. Even if the x86 code is more compact that the Sparc one, I'd >bet 32 MB isn't enough under Linux (and Linux has response problems under >heavy swapping). > >And the compiler used is gcc... > >I think a Self 5.0 will be needed for a Linux port. > >Thierry. >___________________Thierry.Goubier(a)enst-bretagne.fr__________________ > Je ne suis pas un patriote car je n'ai pas peur de l'etranger > I'm not a patriot because I don't fear foreigners >http://www-info.enst-bretagne.fr/~goubier/ -- Dave

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Release of Automatic Restructuring Sytem (Guru)
by Ivan Moore 03 Jun '96

03 Jun '96

Hello, This is to announce the availability of Guru - a tool which assists in Self improvement. Key features: +It's free. +It restructures inheritance hierarchies, removing duplication of methods. +It refactors methods, removing duplication of expressions. -It's subject to restrictions on use, and a disclaimer, and contains bugs; details are included in the documentation. For more details, and a couple of papers about Guru, look at: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~ivan/guru.html Ivan Moore. BTW - sorry if you receive this email more than once.

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Self-interest June 1996